Great Post on Vitamin A and Acne

There is a guy from Germany who has a really good theory about why acne happens and it involves vit A. It is a really good post and I highly recommend it. Here is the link, hopefully it helps!

http://pub106.ezboard.com/fabsoluteacneinfofrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=8843.topic&start=1&stop=20

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121 thoughts on “Great Post on Vitamin A and Acne

  1. okay in resume this allegated mecine student says that the cure of acne is with the following regimen:

    vit A 100,000 IU to 150,000 IU
    B complex
    Zinc
    Vit E
    Selenium

    And he goes and explains in technical words why all this linked together.

    If i were to count on the number of pills to take from this regimen I would say that taking just 1 accutane pill a day is much less off a hassle. I consider also that this amount is big enough to deserve medical supervision. Vitamin A is fat soluble so this cannt go without supervision.

    im checking here the PDR of vitamin supplements and here is what I found (The PDR is the Physician Desk Reference and this is a standard in medicine)

    Supplemental doses of 10,000 IU have been reported to cause birth defects

    Hepatoxicity has been reported in one patient who took 25,000 IU day over a six year period

    I do believe supplementation with Vit A is extremely helpful for acne but going on high dosages without supervision is dangerous specially if you plan or are pregnant!

    Mari

  2. I think his theory is very valid. If you read all the posts, there is evidence that more than 10,00 IU of vitamin A is safe. Plus, with this you do not have the side effects of accutane either, NO excessively dry skin or chap lips. The reason I thought I would share this is that I have been using it for a week and although I am not 100% clear, I have started to notice a slow diffrence. If trying to break it down, the body does not naturally make enough NATURAL accutane and therefore uses B Vitamins, Selenium, and Zinc to help convert all the vitamin A you are taking into usable Isotretinion (sp?) so that you’re body can use it and help it with your acne. Like I mentioned above, I am trying this, it is the least you can do.

  3. Yes, I think it’s a great thread too.

    Wally – I hope you will post updates here, would love to know how it works for you.

  4. This therapy is my last hope before Accutane. I found a more “legitimate” publication detailing this therapy. The PDF can be found here:

    http://www.vitaminretailer.com/ncc/Acne_Study_Guide.pdf

    All the treatment related information is on page 4 and 5.

    Essentially, the article states that the body uses Zinc to convert Vitamin A to the active form of retinal (isotretinoin). This document suggests that in order to realize these effects, a dosage around 100,000 IU of vitamin A is necessary (it continues to say that this dosage can be harmful). I would agree that prolonged supplementation of 100,000 IU is dangerous, since it is stored in the liver. However, if one uses Vitamin A supplements like Accutane, it should only be taken in “cycles” so that the liver has time to purge itself of excess Vitamin A.

    I plan to try the Vitamin A therapy for one month. I have a bottle of Vitamin A which is 10,000 IU per pill. Therefore I take 3 of these pills 2 times a day, and 4 just before I go to bed with Zinc. If in one month my skin does not clear, I will stop the therapy I suppose.

  5. I have been following the Vitamin A, Selenium, and Zinc for about a week. My skin has SLOWLY been improving, without my lips falling off or shedding my skin like a dog. Yesterday I had my wisdom teeth removed so yesterday I did not take any vitamins, but I resumed today. I will try to update this post as much as possible. Do you think I and others should update on this page, or start a new page so that more people can contribute to just one focused target?

  6. Hmm… not sure the best format. Perhaps create a seperate thread titled “Wally’s Vitamin A Journal”? I’ll create one called “Beach Boy’s Vitamin A Journal” if you do, LOL

  7. I thought I would just add updates to this page, instead of there being one page for every person.

    Yesterday I added the B Vitamin Complex to my regiment thing. I also am continuing to use the Hydrocortisone 1% cream with some success.

    Maya, are you also on the absoluteacneboards? There I go under blueeyedbia and here I go under WallyEJones. I thought I saw your name on both posts.

    The reason I am trying to push this is that it makese a lot of sense to me. Finally, at least to me, there is some way for me to understand why Accutane works and how its effects can be reproduced. I hope people will at least think about it and have an open mind towards it. Thanks!

  8. Yes – I am Maya on the absolute and acne.org boards.

    I’m trying this out myself now – at first I thought I’d go the whole 100,000IU, but I’m a little concerned about getting too dry – since I am using Retina-A on my face as well. So, I’m doing 50,000IU a day.

    Makes sense to me too – it’s like a ‘safe’ form of accutane.

  9. please keep posting updates on how this is working for you guys I’m VERY :scratch interested in trying this reg. if you all have success with it.Good Luck and thanks for the great info!!

  10. Today my skin hasnt really changed from last time. Overall my pores are a little smaller and I havent really broken out any on my cheeks. The spots I did have are now SLOWLY going away. I do have some concers though. My forehead is full of bumps, I don’t know if it is because my hair has grown or just because. Also, on my nose, on which every pore is filled with a blackhead, the blackheads are more visible, they look like they are getting closer to the surface. I think that is good, but I really dont know. Also, my skin has dried out last nite when I washed with my cleanser, Purpose Gentle Cleaning Wash, which is supposed to be really mild. I think I will go down to 140,000 to see if that helps. I really don’t want my skin scaly because that can cause the pores to clog up even more. OVERALL though my skin is SLOWLY improving. By genes I will always have large pores and bad skin, but I really hope to get it to the best it can be.

  11. Hey Wally

    Must say – the oil really has dissapeared!!! It’s been sunny in the UK for a few days, normally oil would increase – but NO!! So, it’s working at that level.

    FFWF said to start adding lechithin (spelling) you going to do that? I just bought some off the net – it’s cheap anyway.

  12. Taking too much of any vitamin can produce a toxic effect. Vitamin A and vitamin D are the most likely to produce hypervitaminosis in large doses.

    Vitamin A toxicity can occur with long-term consumption of 20 mg of retinol or more per day. The symptoms of vitamin A overdosing include accumulation of water in the brain (hydrocephalus), vomiting, tiredness, constipation, bone pain, and severe headaches. The skin may acquire a rough and dry appearance, with hair loss and brittle nails. Vitamin A toxicity is a special issue during pregnancy. Expectant mothers who take 10 mg vitamin A or more on a daily basis may have an infant with birth defects. These birth defects include abnormalities of the face, nervous system, heart, and thymus gland. It is possible to take in toxic levels of vitamin A by eating large quantities of certain foods. For example, about 30 grams of beef liver, 500 grams of eggs, or 2,500 grams of mackerel would supply 10 mg of retinol. The livers of polar bears and other arctic animals may contain especially high levels of vitamin A.

    Tom Brody PhD

    Massive doses (50,000 to 120,000 Β΅g or 150,000 to 350,000 IU) of vitamin A or its metabolites are given daily to persons with globular acne. Although the treatment is effective, it puts the patient at risk for vitamin A toxicity.

    [url=http]Merck Manual

    Anyone taking very high doses of vitamin A for cancer or any other reason should do so under the care of a physician, and should be on the lookout for symptoms of vitamin A toxicity. The following are common symptoms of vitamin A overdose that should be watched for in cancer patients taking high doses of any vitamin A product:

    Headache
    Dizziness
    Blurred vision
    Joint pain
    Dry lips
    Scaly-dry skin
    Excessive hair loss.
    Blood tests showing elevated liver enzymes may be a sign of a vitamin A overdose. If any of these symptoms appear, please discontinue using vitamin A until the symptoms disappear and then resume vitamin A therapy at a much lower dosage. The cancer patient faces a dilemma in attempting to use the maximum dose of vitamin A to fight their cancer, while trying to avoid vitamin A toxicity. Those with thyroid cancer should avoid vitamin A.

    Causes of vitamin A toxicity generally are categorized into acute and chronic.

    Acute toxicity occurs within a few hours or days after a very large intake as a result of accidental over-ingestion or inappropriate therapy. The estimated toxic dose is about 25,000 IU/kg.

    Chronic toxicity appears after ingestion of 25,000 IU or more daily for prolonged periods of time.

    Mohsen S Eledrisi, MD/Kevin McKinney, MD

    Maybe it’s safer than accutane but you should still be monitored by your doctor if you are taking the megadoses. I also bet your skin turns a nice yellow πŸ™‚

  13. I am printing out the post FFWF put up. I’ll probably have to read it a couple of times to understand, but I’ll look into it. Thanks!

  14. I read the post and I didn’t really understand it. I thought I was somewhat intelligent, but now I dont know. :lol The part I am confused about is that we take the lecithin with the Vitamin A, but is it a supplement or a substitute? I gather it is a supplement, but then do we lower the amount of Vitamin A? How much of this lecithin do we take? I am confused and am going to post these on the abosolute page so hopefully FFWF will answer. By the way, I got mine at Walgreens and you can get 200 capsules for only $7 US, so it is pretty cheap. Congrats on your progress Maya, hopefully it will only get better!!!

  15. Wally

    FFWF is suggesting that it is the Lecithin that will prevent Vit A toxicity – I’ve been on the program for a few days now and I can seriously notice a difference – like NO oil at all.

    FFWF is suggesting that we continue with the Vit A but to take lecithin as well – this prevents toxicity. It is not a substitute, but may actually be more important in the fight against acne.

    SweetJade is quite right in one of her responses, that it is not Vit A that is the mainstay – that Omega Oils, Zinc, Vit E, C, Bs, selenium etc.. all play their part – that taking Vit A with it all will act synergistically.

    I believe that you should lower your dose – I am just going for around 40,000IU now and will maintain that for a couple of months and then lower (not sure how low yet).

    UbahOne – .. Vit A does not make your skin turn yellow – it is BetaCarotene – we are not taking betaCarotene (aka Pro Vit A) because it does not convert into Vit A that well.

  16. Thanks Maya. That clears a lot up. I lowered my dose to 140,000 from 160,000. You think I should lower it even more? I was planning on keeping it at 140,000 until things calmed down, then lower it in steps. Congratulations on the oil reduction. Oil really bothers me, I have EXTREMELY oily skin. This is the reason I started so high at first. Good Luck!!! I hope other people try this out, it seems to work pretty good. πŸ™‚

  17. Hey Maya and Wally -I am Chiknflea on the other board. I’m so glad to hear about your success with the oil, Maya. I am very oily like you, Wally. I SURE want it to go away! I once did a half course of Accutane, and the part I liked the best about it was the fact that my skin was not oily. I didn’t worry about my makeup after I put it on the morning and could just up and go anywhere anytime without having to “fix” my face beforehand. It was such freedom!
    You probably read this on the other board, but I noticed improvement right away. Less oil, and smaller pores. My skin (all over, not just my face) has a different texture to it – much smoother.
    I started out with 100,000 last Monday. I dropped it down to 50,000 on Thursday, and then wobbled around with 75,000. (I thought 100,000 was causing me to feel weird – but apparently it was the pollen or a small cold) I upped it back to 100,000 yesterday because it wasn’t seeming to work (got oily, showed no improvement, although initial improvement stayed) with the lower doses. Today I am back to seeing results. I ‘m actually thinking of going with a higher dose. I am taking the Vit A with a whole food vitamin, but am thinking of going to get the other vits separately and trying it that way to see if there is greater utilization.
    I found a few sources on the internet that support the use of Vitamin A in conjunction with other vits, in case anyone else is interested in them.

    http://www.outandabout.uk.net/pass/health/factshts/1.htm
    Read under Selenium

    http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2002-02-22/cols_health.html
    This one is about Accutane and depression, but down at the bottom they cite reports (and one experiment) of good results with selenium, E and A, and how they work in conjunction.

    http://www.indiadiets.com/diets/Eat%20to%20beat%20illness/acne.htm
    Mentions A, selenium, lecithin, etc.

    http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=article&ID=1923
    All about Vitamin A, this is a great article. You’ll be amazed at what health issues Vit A deficiency includes.

    There also seems to be a connection with Vit A and women’s cycles. I normally take plant estrogens to keep my cycle smooth and me from becoming a total lunatic, and I have not had to take them since starting the A regimen. I am not grumpy and my cycle is normal (actually sneaked up on me – that never happens!). Plus, I dont’ see well at night. Night blindness is a symptom of not enough A. Yes, I can drive at night and no I have not been diagnosed with night blindness, but I always have a harder time seeing things when I drive at night. If that goes away, I will be very impressed.
    About the Lecithin: I think the bottle I read said it was for liver support. So it should help with toxicity like Maya said?

    I read the post and I didn’t really understand it. I thought I was somewhat intelligent, but now I dont know.

    Wally, probably EVERYONE understood his posts better than me! :lol

  18. Hi Heather!! Glad to see you are having good results. Really, I am not very oily, but now – no oil at all!!

    I used to have terrible night blindness – so I will teat this out at some stage too!

    I am only taking around 40,000IU now – am wondering if this is right?

    Are you adding lecithin? I ordered some and should be with me tomorrow.

  19. Yes, Maya~I think I’m going to add the lecithin. I was reading the bottle last night at the grocery store, but didn’t buy it then. I’m planning to go back and buy it tonight. I buy so much stuff for my skin that I hesitated, especially since I already take good vitamins. BUT I think I will feel like I’m doing the regimen better once I know what iu’s I’m actually taking of everything. None of it is expensive, plus there’s a buy-one-get-one free deal going right now at that grocery store.
    I don’t really know if you should take a higher dose. Are you seeing any other results besides oil elimination? Does your retin-A reduce oil too? I’d almost be afraid I’d get too dry, like you mentioned before. Then again, I guess you can always just lower the dose again if it seems too much. (lots of help, huh!) All of the articles I’ve read about using Vit A for acne mention 100,000 as a standard dose, with dose UP TO 300,000. For my part, I’ll try to take the highest dose I can (up to 300,000) without getting a headache.
    What do you think? Do you think taking the lecithin along with the Vitamin A will just reduce risk of toxicity, or allow us to take higher dosage?
    I feel a lecithin google search coming on…. :mrgreen
    H

  20. Here’s a quick bit of information on lecithin:

    (from http://www.the-health-shop.net/house-of-health/products/lecithin.html)

    General Information
    Lecithin naturally incorporates an emulsifying principle that has the ability to break up fats, in particular cholesterol, into tiny particles which can readily pass into body tissues to be utilised.

    It also helps to absorb, and carry in the blood, fats and Vitamins A,D,E, and K. It is largely composed of the B complex vitamins Choline and Inositol. .

    Choline is essential for the health of the principal component of nerve fibers. Inositol, in combination with Choline, prevents the hardening of arteries and protects the liver, kidneys and heart. Lecithin contains Linoleic Acid, an Essential Fatty Acid (EFA). EFA’s are vital for breaking down accumulated fats in the body.

    Western diets are generally too high in animal fats, refined products and processed foods. This has impaired the body’s ability to produce Gamma-linolenic Acid (GLA), (GLA is formed naturally in the body from Linoleic Acid and is an essential element in a healthy metabolism) resulting in accumulated fats and toxins in the body.

    An excess of accumulated fats in the system has been known to be a contributing factor in obesity, pre-menstrual tension, menopausal problems, heart complaints, skin problems and mental health.

    Lecithin should always be taken when following a slimming diet because it helps prevent the ‘drawn’ look, which often occurs during weight reduction, benefiting the skin by filling it out and softening it.

    Lecithin has also been found to be effective in the treatment of other skin problems such as eczema, acne and psoriasis. Because of its ‘regenerative’ properties, it helps retard the ageing process. It also helps in the prevention of fatigue due to nerve-sheath destruction, and the promotion of energy in older people. Lecithin assists in relieving stress and is a natural tranquillizer.

    Indications –
    LECITHIN IS HELPFUL AS A SUPPLEMENT IN THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: Acne, aging, alcoholism, arteriosclerosis, blood pressure (high), cholesterol (high), circulation (pins & needles), eczema, heart, multiple sclerosis, nerves, pimples, psoriasis, shingles, slimming, stress, varicose veins, worry.

  21. Maya, how much lecithin are you going to take? Today I was back under the fluorescent lights and I noticed a 10% reduction in oil, which is good don’t get me wrong, but like I have said I am very, very oily and it still is really bothersome. The blackheads on my nose are worse. However, it did take Accutane 3 months to start working for me, so I hope in time the oil onslaught will subside. Congratulations HeatherFeather on your success!

  22. Hi Wally

    I can’t remember what I ordered off the net – I think it said 1200 something – it was around Β£3 for 90 capsules. I’ll just take 1 a day when it arrives.

    Mari

    Going to be very careful – the minute I get some headaches or anything irritating, I will report here and also lower the Vit A.

  23. Yup, I’ve known for years that Lecithin was supposed to be good for acne sufferers yet it ALWAYS helps to understand why.

    A few months back I had posted on Absolute about the benefits of D-Chiro Inositol. I originally discovered this information 2 years ago on http://www.soulcysters.net and the women there have PCOS, Insulin Resistance or Diabetes, of which acne can be symptom. Somewhere on there is a study that says that this was proven very effective in controlling insulin issues, etc. Women noticed their skin and other PCOS symptoms improved from taking Carob Syrup or Powder (D-Pinnitol form or something), but it’s large quantities.

    Some people managed to get some results with just taking Inositol/Lecithin, yet the problem MIGHT be with some of us is that we can’t CONVERT (how many enzyme defects can we have??? ) this into the needed D-Chiro Inositol form. Apparently there isn’t any form on the market like this but, the company that performed the study is of course, planning on marketing a pill. For more info, just type in those keywords at that board. They also had great results with NAC too. =)

    Nighty night

  24. Hey, hope everyone is doing great! As for me, I broke out a little and my nose is still covered in blackheads and oily. I know it has only been almost two weeks, and that is not very long, but I have decided to up my dose of Vitamin A. After thinking about it, I took high doses of Accutane, have very oily skin (It is really, really bad), and the blackheads have gotten smaller, but multiplied. I think I am going to try 180,000 or even 200,000 IU and see what that does. I have started drinking more water and also take 2-4 lecithin a day, so that the Vitamin A doesnt get too toxic. I will probably just try it for a week or so and see how it goes. Since everyone else has had good results, maybe I just need a higher dose. Good Luck to everyone! πŸ˜€

  25. My day 10 update:

    I am not seeing any more reduction in oil than at first – still oily around t-zone. I am very oily to begin with so this might be a factor. I am on the backside of a four-day breakout that was not horrid, but then no breakout is welcome! I changed my regimen a bit by adding vitamins in pill form plus lecithin plus more A, up to 150,000. So now my regimen is this:

    Breakfast:
    Vit A 75000
    Bcomplex with C
    Soy Lecithin 1200mg horse pill
    whole food multi

    Supper:
    Vit A 75000
    Zinc 50mg
    Selenium 200mcg

    Still loving the new texture to my skin. This I believe is getting even better – my skin is so soft now. My decolletage (neck and chest) area is so much smoother and even toned, like when I was younger. If this is all I get out of this regimen I think it will have been worth it, but of course still going for the gusto.
    ps in earlier posts I mentioned I thought the A might be making me feel strange – well, it was my allergy meds. I have had no headaches or any side effect on the 150,000 since I went up to that three days ago.
    ——————————————–

    :wave Thanks, Mari!

    ——————————————–

    Maya & Wally ~
    How did y’all figure out how much lecithin to take? I was just taking the one pill like it said on the bottle. Did I miss something?

    Heather :girl (that is EXACTLY what I look like… :lol )

  26. To be honest I dont know. Both me and Maya have posted on the absolute board about getting some sort of ratio answer for how much lecithin to take. I was just taking 1 per 50,000, but that is probably wrong. Hopfeully we will get an answer back soon.

  27. Hi Heather and Wally

    Well, still no oil – but I wasn’t very oily anyway. Am getting a few whiteheads and only minor stuff – wonder if this program is flushing it all through…

    I have moved up my Vit A to 100,000 now, since FFWF said that lecithin stopped the A getting toxic. No side effects anyway – still feel the same.

    Current:

    Morning:
    2 Salmon Fish oil
    1.5 grams Vit C
    200mg ALA
    30 grams Zinc
    1200 lecithin
    50,000IU vit A
    400IU Vit E
    Low dose B complex
    I calcium tablet
    100 IU Selenium

    Evening:
    2 Salmon Fish oil
    1.5 grams Vit C
    600mg NAC
    1200 lecithin
    50,000IU vit A
    MultiVit (which has 22mg Zinc, 200IU Selenium and Bs and E)
    I calcium tablet

    I am pretty sick of swollowing all this lot!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. I think that both of you by now have read FFWF latest post in which he claims that in error he recommended lecithin to us and instead it is B2 that is the piece to the puzzle. Honestly, right now, I don’t believe a word he says. When I have more time I will see what I can find out about B2 and the connection to acne, but I am sure I will not be able to find any of the studies FFWF quotes. My question to you is what are you going to do? I am probably going to continue taking my mega does of Vitamin A, selenium, zinc, and maybe 1-2 lecithin a day, but I have stopped taking the B complex because I don’t think that helps anyway. On Friday, my skin was horrible!!! I could have provided the world with enough oil with my EXTREMELY OILY nose and surprisingly my forehead. And, I have started to break out on my forehead, which is the one place I like to keep clear. And get this, on my LEG, my LEG, there are about 4-5 spots. It is digusting, but not really a surprise. :roll I hadn’t looked at my skin for a couple of days, but I just looked at it and it looks like crap. So, I don’t know what I am going to do.

    Maya

    I know you are into that positive thinking/energy thing. I know my acne is part phyciologically (sp?) and was wondering if you had any more information. Also, is it possible to help you skin if you think positively. Regularlily I am sarcastic and have an evil sense of humor. If I literally tried to be happy and not let thing bother me, would it help any? I am thinking about going on a 10 day happy thought experiment, to see if my skin improves. I know it sounds crazy, but hey, anything to clear my face :lol.

  29. I looked for B2 and acne and surprisingly found a lot of information about the two. I only looked for 15 minutes, but I thought I would post some of the sites I went to. Tommorow I am going to go and get some. I know I am a sucker, but I always have the slight hope that is might work, and you never know until you try. Anyone have any swamp water they want to get off their hand??? πŸ˜€

    http://www.acne-advice.com/diet/fruit.shtml

    http://www.whyvitamins.com/articles/acne-and-vitamins.html

    http://www.usadrug.com/IMCAccess/ConsSupplements/VitaminB2Riboflavincs.shtml

    http://www.genesishealth.com/micromedex/altmedgen/ame0342.aspx

  30. Hey, Wally – yes, I’m going to keep up the regimen. It still makes sense to me. FFWF’s last LAST post made much more sense than the first b-2 one, but I’m not going to go on the b-2. If I hadn’t read about others curing their acne with Vit A, I wouldn’t be following this regimen. Today is the end of week 2 for me and I’d like to give it enough time to work. I haven’t experienced any side effects.
    Last week I was real oily (and broke out), but today I am much drier on the cheeks like the first week, but still oily on the nose and forehead. Not having any new breakouts at the moment. My skin is so ultra soft since going on the A. I can’t get over how nice it feels. (that’s another factor in me keeping up the regimen – I can see something happening) I have not used any topicals since before going on the A, so that’s the only thing it could be. Besides, I have never had a topical do this to my skin!
    So anyway, I’m hanging in there.

    Anyone have any swamp water they want to get off their hand???

    I probably have some left over from the last time I bought it. It goes well with my Golden Gate bridge. :mrgreen

    I can’t NOT try, can you? And I didn’t try as hard as you, or as early in life as you. You’ll probably discover your cure and head off a lot of years of acne. That’s what I hope to do with my kids. The oldest is 13 and starting to experience acne, which is what led me to begin searching again and is how I found this site and the other one. I hope to be able to relieve them of all suffering I’ve gone through.
    Keep posting! I like reading them and your enthusiasm is contagious. :angel
    Heather

  31. Oh well….. “in for a penny, in for a pound” as the saying goes..

    Hit the shops and bought some B2 today – giving this my best shot, already been a couple of weeks.

    It’s kind of hard to say about improvements coz I started using a mild retin-a on my face and experienced some flakiness becasue of it.

    I’ve still got around 4 weeks supply of Vit A at 100,000IU a day left so will keep going and hope I get some good results by then.

    Wally – I don’t think that positive thinking is the key – it’s more to do with the subconscious reasons you hold onto acne in the first place. Hard to explain. Are you in the UK? If so, I could lend you my Skin Deep book and you could have a read and then send it back. The book explains it well.

    Also, there is a very good thread on the absolute board about self healing by a poster called HelpingSpirit or something like that.. worth looking at.

  32. Today my face is a trainwreck. My forehead has around 12 bumps/spots which is a lot. They are not real noticeable, however they irritate me a lot and I am afraid that they will blow up into something bigger. And the funny thing is, the larger pores on my forehead, for the most part, are gone, which is very puzzling. My nose cannot possible fit anymore large pores w/ blackheads. Both my nose and forehead are oily, but I think it may have died down. I THINK is important because I have tried to not wipe the oil off so much and tried to not let it bother me as much, which has worked somewhat. I have also broken out on my cheeks, not as bad as my forehead, but still broken out. The thing I hate about the cheek spots is that they will either leave red marks or indentations, which I really don’t want. The bright side is that my chin, which hardly ever breaks out, is spotless. I don’t really understand that one. My new “regiment” is:

    200 mg of B2 (I got 100 50mg tablets for only $3.99 at GNC, on sale)

    200 Selenium (dont know the units)

    50 Zinc (dont know the units)

    100,000-130,000 IU of Vitamin A (varies)

    I take half in the morning after I eat breakfast and half after I eat dinner. Hopefully this will straighten the acne out.

    HeatherFeather, I kind of know what you are talking about. In the past couple of months I have started really hard to try and resolve my acne. I have an 11 year old sister who will inherit horrible skin and I am trying to find something to cure it before it controls her life. She is just starting to break out a little, so I really hope I find something before it is too late. I hope you find something that works for you and your kids!

    Maya, I live in America, but I am thinking about getting the book at Borders or Barnes & Noble. The reason I mentioned it is because I read that guy’s post on absolute. I havent read the whole post yet, so when I do I will probably mention it more. Have you been to healthboards lately? I have checked their occasionally, but I actually read some of the posts and everyone is new there. Kind of weird πŸ˜€

    Good Luck to everyone.

  33. Hey Wally

    No, I never go to the healthboards – just here, absolute and acne.org scar board since I am the Moderator there, and trying to deal with my scarring at the moment.

    I think you might want to add a good multivit to your regimen, so you aren’t depleted in other areas. I also think that Vit C and E is a good to include in your regimen

    What are you doing topically for the oil? I’m using retin-a to help with my scars at the moment, and that’s really drying, so I have no oil anyway – maybe you could try that or I heard that ketsugo is good too.

  34. I guess I could start taking a multi vitamin, it cant do any harm! :lol Right now I dont really put anything topical on my face. I havent in a while because anything on my face usually dries it out. I am going to the derm on Sat and tonight will probably start putting the Retin A Micro on again. I now it wont change by Sat, but at least I wont feel as guilty. I had been on the Retin A Micro for about 2 months and didnt really see a difference though. Maybe the derm will give me something new.

  35. taking 100 000 UI of vit A per day is far more toxic than roaccutane, I’m sorry to say it like this but this thread is the more stupid (and potentially dangerous) post I’ve seen EVER.

  36. I got back from the derm a couple of hours ago. She gave me Dynacin, which is minocycline (100 grams 1 time a day) and Tazorac (0.05%) CREAM. I emphasize cream because I had previously taken the gel and hated it, it made me really shiny. I don’t know what I am going to do though. Before I had been taking all the vitamins, I had on again/off again been taking the minocycline and the Retin A Micro. I didn’t really like the Retin A Micro, it didnt penetrate deep enough into my endless pores. I will try the Tazorac and see what happens. I am skepitcal about the minocycline though. I know that it will work for a while with some people and then stop. So I don’t know about that, she gave me 6 sample pills so I guess I will use them up until I decide what to do. As for for vitamins, I think I may modify what I take. I don’t think the has done anything for me at all, ever since I started taking it my pores became really clogged with blackheads. I know I was only on it for a short time, but I just have that feeling that it wasn’t doing anything, probably making things worse. I think I will continue with the Zinc, Selenium, and probably a smaller does of Vitamin A, although I don’t know how much; I don’t want to have too much in my system in case it would interfer with the minocycline I might take. And then I have been considering the “Your Hands Can Heel You” thing too. I believe some of what HelpingSpirit says about emotion causing anger and that relieving your body of that added stress will help you out. However, I am very skeptical about the whole energy side of it. In his post he said that he actually saw the bad energy coming out of him or something. I have difficulty believing that. Humans only use around 10-13% of their brain, so I believe what he is saying has some truth to it, but hormones and chemicals have a role in the body too.
    So with these three things I don’t know what to do. I will starting using the Tazorac topically and take the Minocyline samples. I’ll continue the Zinc, Selenium, and Vitamin A (How much should I take?), and I tried to find that Hand Healing book. I needed those excersises just to get rid of all the frustration in trying to find the book but it wasnt there :lol. I am open to any feedback or opinions about what I should do.

    Mod
    I don’t think anyone really knows how much Vitamin A is in Accutane, if you have the numbers please share them. There have been studies in which Vitamin A, in some cases in excess of 300,000 IU has helped acne suffers.

  37. Mod Im glad to see you around this thread.

    Guys Mod has a huge knowledge of Vit A, I think he has more knowledge on the vit A topic than doctors so please listen to him always okay.

    Mod now I have a question for you. In the ragforum adhaou said accutane is more toxic than Vit A. She clearly said that retinol from supplements the body can deal with them better and they do not alter gene expression. She said the danger of roaccutane is because of its form 13-cis retinoic acid that do can cause alteration in gene expression. So now Im confused here. Please can you give us more feedback?

    Mari 8)

  38. Mod Im glad to see you around this thread.

    Guys Mod has a huge knowledge of Vit A, I think he has more knowledge on the vit A topic than doctors so please listen to him always okay.

    Mod now I have a question for you. In the ragforum adhaou said accutane is more toxic than Vit A. She clearly said that retinol from supplements the body can deal with them better and they do not alter gene expression. She said the danger of roaccutane is because of its form 13-cis retinoic acid that do can cause alteration in gene expression. So now Im confused here. Please can you give us more feedback?

    Mari 8)

    Scientifically retinol, rΓ©tinal, retinoic acid and rΓ©tinyl phosphate are all vitamin A (meaning they have a vit a activity).

    There are different forms of retinoic acid :

    I’ll give the forms in French but you’ll figure them out easily in English :

    – Acide retinoic (tout trans)
    – Acide 9-cis-retinoic
    – Acide 13-cis-rΓ©tinoΓ―que (isotretinoin = roaccutane).
    – And some others.

    Retinoic acids have the ability to influence growth and differentiation of the cells, by acting on the RAR (retinoic acid receptor) and the RXR (retinoic X receptor) of the cells. It’s by this action that retinoic acid can modify gene expression.

    The scientist have come with isotretinoin as it is an analogue of β€œAcide retinoic (tout trans)” and have a better action on the RAR and RXR than the natural form.

    You have to know also that (in the body) :

    Retinol can convert to retinal
    Retinal can convert to retinol and Acide tout trans rΓ©tinoique (effect on RAR)
    Acide tout trans rΓ©tinoique can’t convert to retinal and retinol but can convert to Acide 9-cis rΓ©tinoique (effect on RAR and RXR).

    So when you ingest retinol (the vit A sold in dietary supplements) a part of it convert to several retinoic acid forms and have an action on RAR and RXR (thus it can modify the gene expression). I don’t know what is the rate of conversion of retinol to Acide 9-cis rΓ©tinoique (but that doesn’t matter for the explication).

    As for isotretinoin (roaccutane) it don’t need to convert as it has already an activity on the RAR and RXR of the cells;

    Acne is cured by acting on the RAR and RXR of the cells and the side effects comes from this action (although it needs confirmation). When you take retinol a small part convert to retinoic acid so the effects are less important than if you take isotretinoin as it doesn’t have to convert.

    But you have to keep in mind that we want to cure acne by action on the RAR and RXR of the cells. So we have to take a certain dose of a retinoic acid. So to have the same effects on acne that isotretinoin (roaccuatne) you’ll have to ingest big amount of retinol, so instead of ending with just the side effects of roaccutane, you end up with the side effects of roaccutane AND the side effects of a chronic poisoning by retinol and retinal.

    That’s why they use roaccutane to cure acne and not retinol. As the dose of retinol needed, to have the same effects of roaccutane, would be too huge.

    Bye.

  39. Mod
    I don’t think anyone really knows how much Vitamin A is in Accutane, if you have the numbers please share them. There have been studies in which Vitamin A, in some cases in excess of 300,000 IU has helped acne suffers.

    I don’t know what the rate of conversion of retinol to retinoic acid is. But if you see what I wrote before you’ll understand that retinol (vit A supplement) are at least as dangerous of roaccutane (if not more) when you want to treat acne.

    So if you want to use a chemical that has a vit A. activity you’d be safer to use roaccutane. Roaccuaten will give the same results with acne as vit. A with less harm to your body.

  40. . In the ragforum adhaou said accutane is more toxic than Vit A. She clearly said that retinol from supplements the body can deal with them better and they do not alter gene expression.

    Mari 8)

    retinol can alter gene expression as it can convert to Acide -9 cis rΓ©tinoic via alcool dehydrogenase and aldehyde oxydase.

    PS : i don’t think adhaou made a mistake, she just simplified too much what se wanted to say.

    Anyway you can ask her to come read what I wrote and see if she agrees with it.

  41. Hey Wally, I am doing really well on this program

    The 3 things I am doing:
    1. FFWFs routine (all of it)
    2. Retin-A every other night

    I had a few mini bumbs the first couple of weeks, might have been getting used to the Retin-A, but now that’s over, really oil is completely gone – and the nose which had open pores has improved a lot. I have no side effects whatsover and I’m on 100,000IU. I was expecting dry lips… but starngely enough, my lips are looking amazing now (they were dry BEFORE taking the Vit A).

    Mod – if you are going to try and add to this thread, it would be good if you wrote in laymans terms! Most of what you say goes past me.

    And… Mari or Mod – please explain why Mod is to be listened to, what are his/her credentials?

  42. Well Maya sista Mod has suffered and still suffering from long term adverse effects from accutane. Trust me sista when you being through what he does you become an expert on the topic. Im glad he is here with us giving advice.

  43. Mod – if you are going to try and add to this thread, it would be good if you wrote in laymans terms!

    Can someone please explain what layman terms means.

    I found this word on a lot of forums but I don’t know what it means.

  44. Mod – laymans terms means writing it in a simple way – so that an idiot or child may be able to understand the message easily. (I am both child and idiot!)

    You’re obviously very knowledgeable but sometimes knowledgeable people have a habit of writing/speaking too technically and then the message is lost.

    Mod – I am only intending to do the Vit A at 100,000IU plus all the other stuff (B2, Selenium, Zinc etc…) for 3-4 months altogether. I am generally a very healthy person, and I thought that 3-4 months would be OK. I have been on this for a few weeks now and I feel fine on it. I have read many reports of people being given higher dosages with no ill effects.

  45. What I can’t understand is why everyone gets so uptight about Vitamin A toxicity. Maybe it’s the word ‘toxicity’ that is a bit scary sounding. This is what the Merck Manual says about it:

    Vitamin A Toxicity

    Excessive intake of vitamin A may cause acute or chronic toxicity. Acute toxicity in children may result from taking large doses (> 100,000 Β΅g or 300,000 IU); it manifests as increased intracranial pressure and vomiting, which may lead to death unless ingestion is discontinued. After discontinuation, recovery is spontaneous, with no residual damage; only two fatalities have been reported. Within a few hours of ingesting several million units of vitamin A in polar bear or seal liver, arctic explorers developed drowsiness, irritability, headache, and vomiting, with subsequent peeling of the skin. Megavitamin tablets containing vitamin A have occasionally induced acute toxicity when taken for a long time.

    Chronic toxicity in older children and adults usually develops after doses of > 33,000 Β΅g (100,000 IU)/day have been taken for months. In infants who are given 6,000 to 20,000 Β΅g (20,000 to 60,000 IU)/day of water-miscible vitamin A, evidence of toxicity may develop within a few weeks. Birth defects have been reported in the children of women receiving 13-cis-retinoic acid (isotretinoin) for skin conditions during pregnancy (see Drugs in Pregnancy in Ch. 249).

    Massive doses (50,000 to 120,000 Β΅g or 150,000 to 350,000 IU) of vitamin A or its metabolites are given daily to persons with globular acne. Although the treatment iseffective, it puts the patient at risk for vitamin A toxicity.

    Although carotene is metabolized in the body to vitamin A at a slow rate, excessive ingestion of carotene does not cause vitamin A toxicity but produces carotenemia (carotene blood levels > 250 Β΅g/dL [> 4.65 Β΅mol/L]). This condition is usually asymptomatic but may lead to carotenosis, in which the skin (but not the sclera) becomes deep yellow, especially on the palms and soles. Carotenosis may also occur in diabetes mellitus, myxedema, and anorexia nervosa, possibly from a further reduction in the rate of conversion of carotene to vitamin A.

    Symptoms, Signs, and Diagnosis

    Sparse coarse hair, alopecia of the eyebrows, dry rough skin, and cracked lips are early signs. Later, severe headache, pseudotumor cerebri, and generalized weakness are prominent. Cortical hyperostosis and arthralgia are common, especially in children. Hepatomegaly and splenomegaly may occur.

    ormal fasting plasma retinol levels range from 20 to 80 Β΅g/dL (0.7 to 2.8 Β΅mol/L). In vitamin A toxicity, fasting plasma levels may exceed 100 Β΅g/dL (3.49 Β΅mol/L), up to 2000 Β΅g/dL (69.8 Β΅mol/L). Differential diagnosis may be difficult because symptoms are varied and bizarre, but they usually include headache and rash.

    Prognosis and Treatment

    Prognosis is excellent for adults and children. Symptoms and signs usually disappear within 1 to 4 wk after stopping vitamin A ingestion. However, prognosis for the fetus of a mother taking megadoses of vitamin A is guarded.

    So, if you see any symptoms, you quit. And you don’t look to stay on Vitamin A indefinitely! I think most of us would like to find something that works, albeit we might have to be patient for a few months, but then we could be done with it. I’ve been at this 20 or so years, off and on, and frankly I have better things to do than fight acne.

    I haven’t had any adverse reactions to the A either. Maya mentions that her lips look amazing instead of dry like she thought – well, that’s what my skin is doing. It is so amazingly soft and hydrated. I have never experienced this kind of softness before. I did read that Vit A helps EFA’s work better (don’t have time to look it up, you might be able to find it in one of the links I posted earlier in this thread) so I am wondering if that is what is happening. Also, my skin is looking healthier and even plumper this week. Like I have stated before, even if it didn’t kill the acne, I am glad to have done it already because of the softness results.
    [quote]So if you want to use a chemical that has a vit A. activity you’d be safer to use roaccutane. Roaccuaten will give the same results with acne as vit. A with less harm to your body.[quote]
    I don’t see how that would be true. When I was on Accutane, I enjoyed the fact that the oil dried up, but also had other symptoms like joint pain to deal with. My opinion so far is that the Vitamin A regimen seems much less harsh than a course of Accutane. Plus, I’ve had the added benefit of not having to take estrogens since I’ve been on the A. (I normally have to take estrogens to keep my cycle and my personality normal) I have been a happy, regular person for the last 3 weeks.
    Today is the end of week 3 for me. Other than what I’ve already written, the only thing I can add to my update is that there has been no more oil reduction at all and I had less ‘activity’ last week. In fact, I’m almost clear now, but clear cycles are normal for me so I would have to see clearness for much longer to attribute it to the A.
    Yes, Mod, if you can please write in a simple way. I didn’t understand it at all, either. :oops

  46. This FFWF is the most stupid guy I’ve seen ever. His theory has no backup AT ALL, and he’s knowledge of steroids is zero. The good part is my brother is an amateur bber and a steroid user and we had long discussions about roids.

    So I’ll start about FFWF’s roids theory.

    I’ll tell you why roids give acne:

    Some roids (such as testosterone) have a strong androgenic activity, For the most part androgen related issues are the result of dehydro-testosterone (DHT) formation. Some people are a lot more sensitive to these androgenic hormones, meaning that their skin receptors are more sensitive than other people to androgenic hormones. When a bber take testosterone and knowing he’s highly sensitive to androgene (an hereditary issue that has nothing to do with dietary habit) he gets acne and can also get hairloss.

    So why some people suffer from acne, because these people have very sensitive receptors to androgene in their cells. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY PEOPLE GET ACNE. THAT IS ALSO WHY ACNE IS HEREDITARY IN MOST PERSON, AS THE SENSITIVITY OF SKIN CELLS TO ANDROGENE IS HEREDITARY.

    And it has nothing to do with what this pseudo medicine student is telling (he seems more to me like a teenager).

    no one should follow his theory as it’s based on bullsh*t.

    Go to whatever BBing board and ask the guys in the roids section why testosterone based product give acne and they’ll tell you the same thing I told you and not the sh*t that this idiot is telling you.

    Now for the vit A toxicity.

    As you know every one reacts differently to supplement or drug. Some with only 25 000 UI of retinol develop a chronic vit A toxicity. It CAN MESS WITH THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM PERMANENTLY. IN SOME, EVEN DISCONTINUATING VIT A THERAPY WILL NOT MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER.

    Taking vitamin A in high dose may cure acne for a moment but at cessation of treatment the acne will come back after remission.

    By contrast to roacccutane (which cure long term, 80% of patient) retinol will not cure acne long term, So you’ll have to take 100 000 UI several times during the period you have acne. This dose is dangerous (study proved it, patient with permanent damage due to vit A therapy prove it).

    100 000 UI A DAY DURING MONTHS IS DANGEROUS ( there’s 45 five repertoried side effects of retinol). Hepatitis is one of them. You also can’t see if your internal organ are damaged unless you take med exams. And sometimes it’s too late, the harm is already done.

    Why in hell scientist would have come with isotretinoin, etretinate, and other retinoids if retinol was safest to cure acne or other related problem.

    BECAUSE FOR A BETTER EFFECT ROACCUTANE WILL HAVE LESS TOXICITY than retinol (vit A).

    The guy your following his advice is AN IDIOT, HE KNOW SH*T. the only backup he has is that he’s a medicine student.

    Well let me tell you about medicine students. Keep in mind I have nothing personal against them.

    When I was 18 and at school, it was our last year before university. All the smart intelligent guys (or girls) went for engineering, finance, mathematics, astronomy, chemistry . And the idiots that their sole ability was a learning ability (meaning they can sit learn stuff all day long and then write it) most of them went for medicine. Most of doctor ( I have lot of friend that are doctor) are just average guys who can learn learn learn learn. They are some intelligent one’s but most of them are average.

    As for the stuff I wrote before and that you found difficult to understand, well that’s the easiest explanation I could come with (I didn’t enter into hard details just to keep it readable by the most). It also can be due to my bad English. But I’m not gonna tell simple bullsh*t like this FFWF just to please those who didn’t understand and come with a false theory.

    I’m may seem a bit rude, with no modesty, but you can’t accuse me of being dishonest. I know how hard it is to live with acne (I lived with it several years) but keep in mind that taking 100 000 UI of vit A per day during whatever period of time is just gonna mess more with your health.

    You may get cured for a time from acne, but if you get these permanent side effects, I can assure you you’ll beg for god to end your life every day you’ll live.

    So be smart, stop following these stupid advice and if acne bothers you get an appointment with a doctor and ask him to put you on roaccutane (it can also give permanent side effects, but the one’s suffering from them are very rare)

    Roaccutane is a safer bet than Vit A therapy. Vit A therapy was discontinued by doctors once retinoids came on the market.

    Bye.

    Now call me fool or whatever you want but keep away from FFWF advices. Also if you want just ask him to post here about the sh*t he says and see if he can come with some valid proof to the stupidities he’s telling. I will be more than happy to have a chat with this guy.

  47. Congrats on your success Maya! I am going to use the Tazorac and the Minocycline like my derm said. The Tazorac has already decreased my oil a little bit. I put it on the last two nights and today, even though I had a big test, it still was better! I am going do around 60,000 IU of Vitamin A and the regular of Selenium and Zinc. I found that book, I have started reading some of it. ……Interesting. I will try and scan some on, if I can figure out how the scanner works. Good luck to everone!!!

  48. Just for the reminder (most studies agree on this one)

    100,000 IU/d for short periods = toxic (30,000 RE)
    25, 000 -50,000 IU/d = toxic (7500 – 15,000 RE)
    10,000 IU/d – avoids toxicity in most (3,000 RE)
    Beta-Carotene = NonToxic

  49. My face is doing a little better than last time. My forehead is SLOWLY starting to get rid of all the bumps that all of a sudden appeared. I still have a couple of large spots near my hairline, but my hair covers that so it isnt that bad. On my left and my right side, the place between my sideburns and forehead, I have a couple of spots on each side. My nose is slowly starting to clear up too. The pores are a little smaller and the blackheads are very slowly starting to go away. I am pretty sure that is because of the Tazorac. My left cheek, where I had broken out bad, is starting to heal too. One of the bad things is that my right cheek, which for some reason rarely breaks out, is filled with a couple large spots and then towards the bottom a family of bumps. But overall it is healing, it looks a lot worse than it really is because my face is red all over due to the Tazorac. I have upped the Vitamin A to 70,00 IU and am going to stay at that for a while. I like what the Tazorac is doing, although I do have dry spots and it does make my face red.
    I also have been reading the Your Hands Can Heal You book. It is interesting and I don’t follow everything in the book, but I have been trying the breathing exercises and the elinimating the negative thought thing. Both work okay, but I don’t really know if I am doing the negative thought removal right because nothign really happens. Maya, have you done that and what has happened for you? My mind always wanders and it is hard to get it to focus on one thing. Also, do u remember how long it took HelpingSpirit to get clear? I am going to read through the posts again and see if I can find some more info on that.

  50. Hi Wally – I ordered the book and it should be with me any day. I did try some of the breathing exercises, but found that I was loosing concentration. I’ve got a friend coming over on Sunday who knows about this stuff so I will get him to help me try and move the ‘negative’ energy out. Helping Spirit said he cleared after 2 sessions of this I think – but he also mentioned knowing a lot about this stuff from his grandfather.

    My face is actually quite dry, so I’ve laid off using the retin-a on my face for a few days now and that feels better. I’ve doubled up my intake of Omega 3 fish oils and that seems to help.

    The main thing I am noticing is that my lips are in much better condition – before, I used to get cracked lips all the time (eventhough I was covered in lip balm!) and now, they are much smoother with no cracks. Pores around my nose seem to be smaller too. I can’t say I am totally clear – coz some parts of my face (cheeks) seem to take forever to heal, but overall, I am pleased with the results so far.

    Heather – you’re right about the Vit A toxicity – I think we just need to be aware of what the side effects are and if we get any of them, then to lay of the Vit A – there are reports that people do not get toxicity even on much higher doses than we are taking – having read many reports on this on the web, there is so much conflicting info, just have to go with my gut feeling about what is right.

    I think this regimine did become more effective once I started to increase Omega 3s and B2.

  51. Maya, have you been able to get on the absolute boards? I wanted to ask HelpingSpirit some Q’s, but everytime I try to go there I get some account message.

  52. Hi Wally – no problem getting onto absolute http://pub106.ezboard.com/fabsoluteacneinfofrm1

    Omega 3 Fish oils are normally Pure Salmon oil – if you get some, make sure they are pesticide and metal free (will normally say on the tub)

    Your’e in the States? I think Russell K can give you some good brand recommendations.

  53. Thanks Maya. I was able to get to it through your link, something must be wrong with my computer. I will try and go to Walgreens to get some temporary Omega 3’s, but I will start a post and ask Russel K about some good brands.

  54. Do you use the Omega’s along with Vitamin A? How much of the Omega 3 do you take? Thanks.

  55. I take 6 capsules of Omega 3 fish oils a day now – 2 with every meal – so yes, I do take them with the Vit A – my fish oils are 180EPA per capsule.. they’re all different. Ask Russell, he’s got some good American brand names.

  56. Thanks again Maya. That clarifies Omega 3 up for me. Thanks for answering all my questions, I do not ask them to annoy you !!! :lol :lol :lol

  57. My skin is looking better than it has, but it is still not really where it should be. My forehead is still bumpy, I still don’t know why it broke out all of a sudden. My nose is better, still have blackheads but they are not as rampant. My left side, which is usually my worst, is now getting better. The one real bad development is on my right cheek, where this one spot has taken a life of its own. It is really big and I don’t know what I am going to do. I am still on the Minocycline and Tazorac. I have been doing the eliminating negative stress exercises too. I am still taking Zinc and Selenium, have added Omega 3, and am almost out of Vitamin A. I don’t know if I will get some more.
    I have my business competition over the next couple of days so I won’t be here. I know everyone is devastated :D. It’s a good thing I have been all stressed out too, maybe that is helping my acne :D. Cya.

  58. Yes Wally, I will miss you :lol but I’m glad your skin is beginning to look better. I am starting to try all sorts of pranic stuff from the book – will post in a week or two about this when I’ve got the hang of it!

  59. Hey Wally – I know you’ll read this when you get back – but that book “Your hands can heal you” – I have been practising the Pranic breathing excercises, and they really help – try that coz it works. And very simple to do and can be done in 10 minutes a day. (Chapter 4)

  60. Hey, Maya! :wave Hey, Wally! :wave
    Time for my 3 week update. Not much to say, though. No horrible breakouts, but not clear either. No more reduction in oil. I went up to 200,000 i.u.s about 3 days ago. I also missed a couple of doses just from being too busy.
    I’m still enjoying the texture of my skin. But, had to start taking my estrogens again because I got real pms’y so that blows that theory. :help :lol

    just have to go with my gut feeling about what is right

    I’m with you, Maya. I’m glad about your success so far!

    I think this regimine did become more effective once I started to increase Omega 3s and B2

    Hmm, I haven’t noticed any difference with the B-2. :puppydogeyes I wonder if I should start Omega 3’s. What difference did you notice, Maya? Help with dryness or….?

    where this one spot has taken a life of its own.

    I can commiserate with that one, Wally! :mrgreen I hope your business competition went well! :tu

  61. Hi Heather πŸ˜€ – well I put down the better skin to the Omega 3s…. but, I am doing so much stuff right now, it isn’t always easy to work out.

    1. I’m doing this special breathing technique for stress reduction
    2. I’m doing the Omega 3s, B2, Vit A, Zinc, Alpha Lipoic Acid, NAC Multi, Selenium Vit C and E etc……
    3. Topically, I am using Retin-a and Copper peptides

    That’s a lot of stuff!!! hehehe – am approaching this from every angle – opical, internal and emotional. Got it covered!! :mrgreen

    I’m going to continue with the above regimen and after another month or so am going to cut everything out except the Multi, fish oils (good for my ageing brain), Vit C (coz I smoke)…..

    My gut feeling about myself is that most of my acne has been stress related, since mine is purely adult acne (can you believe it… I went through all my adolescent years without a single zit!!) I didn’t get acne until I had my kids (twins) at age 29.. and life turned around so much and I had some serious stress for quite a few years .. I developed cystic acne then..and it has been between mild and moderate. It’s very mild right now, but I have bad pitted scarring on my cheeks as a result and am currenly undergoing scar revision therapy (skin needling)

    I’m feeling very positive about it all thought.

    Take care, hope things work out for you. :angel

  62. Thanks Maya and Heather. At the competition, if I would have got one more question right I would have gone to Nationals :x, but I got third so its okay.
    I didn’t look at my skin at all for the couple days, except from far away, and it was nice. But back to normal, my face is getting better, but it is taking its time. My forehead is filled with these dots, I have never gotten them before. I think they are from the Tazorac, which brings everything up, but they are really annoyning! The blackheads on the nose are slowly getting better, and the spots on my cheeks are healing, although I am sort of scared they will leave red marks-have been lucky, havent had them in a while! Still on everything, although I havent been on the Vitamin A in a while and probably won’t go back and get more. I take 6 of the Fish Oil, and along with the Tazorac, I think my skin is getting less oily, which is a good sign that it is hopefully working. Got my fingers crossed!

    Maya, I have looked at the breathing. I will try some tomorow and the next couple of days. I havent been doing the breathing, was kind of nervous the last couple of days :). Did HelpingSpirit say or can you remember how long it actually took him for him to clear up completely? Thanks.

  63. Hi Wally

    I think that Helping Spirit Cleared on his second session…. but he has been doing stuff like this via his Grandfather for a while…

    Seriously, the breathing is much easier to master and less tasking on the brain! I feel much calmer in myself for doing it and have much more energy. Also, the weather is amazing in England at the moment so I have been doing it in the garden, soaking in solar and earth energies at the same time.

    I’ve cut my Vit A down to 30,000IU now – still taking everyhting else.

    Congrats for coming third! That’s a great result. πŸ˜€

  64. Thanks Maya. My skin is getting better and better, hope it just doesn’t slip up again. I won’t have time today, but tomorow I am going to start the breathing. I think I am also going to order the Skin Deep book and see what it is about.

  65. The skin deep book is very good – it allows you to understand some of the reasons you have acne (at an emotional level) – and then you can use the other book to help you get rid of them.

  66. People who are considering this, please talk to your doctors first. Consistenly overdosing on vitamin A can have serious side effects. It can screw up your liver and put you at an increased risk for osteoporosis. Even accutane, which is chemically similar to vitamin A, is usually reserved for only the worst of acne cases. The RDA’s “upper tolerable limit” of vitamin A is 10,000 IU. Going so far beyond that is very, very risky, and should definately, definately not be done without at least the supervision of a doctor.

  67. People who are considering this, please talk to your doctors first. Consistenly overdosing on vitamin A can have serious side effects. It can screw up your liver and put you at an increased risk for osteoporosis. Even accutane, which is chemically similar to vitamin A, is usually reserved for only the worst of acne cases. The RDA’s “upper tolerable limit” of vitamin A is 10,000 IU. Going so far beyond that is very, very risky, and should definately, definately not be done without at least the supervision of a doctor.

    unfortunetly they don’t want to listen πŸ™

  68. It is not that we don’t listen. I have been on Accutane and have gotten tests to make sure my liver is okay, it is. I know I am taking a risk, although I don’t think it is a big one. Also, there are studies that say taking 100,000 IU is safe.

  69. It’s not that I’m not listening – but there are always 2 sides to a coin. There are loads of studies that say megadosing on Vit A is safe.

    Life is full of risks – sometimes you just have to take them and see what happens. I take full responsibility for what I do to myself.

    Just had my second skin needling session today – my face is covered in blood marks that are hopelly going to help fill in the indents.

  70. I’m just saying to at least do it under the supervision of a doctor, like you would with accutane, so you can at least watch for any possible liver damage.

  71. It’s not that I’m not listening – but there are always 2 sides to a coin. There are loads of studies that say megadosing on Vit A is safe.

    Do you have a link to those studies. Not a document , a study (not one done on lab rats tough)

    Thanks.

  72. Mod – no I didn’t save them. When I originally heard of this method on the absolute acne board, some links were provided there and I also did a big web search and a lot of good info came up.

  73. 1 month update:

    This last week was good one. The best thing that happened was the black heads popping out of my nose. My skin looks really nice, and the oil on my face isn’t drying up, but the texture of it is changing. The oil always felt “icky” before, but now it is really soft and silky. (?) My forehead looks really good, no more blackheads there either. I had a big cyst, and a couple of bumps. Otherwise, my skin looks great! I have used a little Jojoba oil off and on (man is that stuff great).

    Th-th-that’s all, folks!

  74. CONGRATULATIONS HEATHER!!! πŸ˜€ πŸ™‚ :lol. Are you still following FFWF thing? Did you use the jojoba oil on your blackheads?

    Maya

    I know you said that you cleared most of your acne through diet. Was it the no bread/low carb diet?

  75. Wally – diet definately plays a role with my skin. I allow myself to have anything I want within reason – I don’t like limitations….

    BUT…… limiting wheat and dairy have helped the most. Not low carb particularly, I eat a lot of brown rice and sweet potatoes. But, adding more fish and plenty of fresh veg to my diet – limiting processed foods all help.

    I semi follow the ‘O’ blood group diet – which means eating lots of protein and limiting carbs, but I am not strict on myself at all. I still eat mars bars, pasta, drink coffee and have french fries etc… but not often.

    Also, the practise of deep breathing and occasional meditation help too. Stress is a big factor – at the moment, with the pranic breath stuff from the book, I am finding it easy to keep that at bay.

    I have approached it from all angles – hard to say which works best, but a good nights sleep along with some laughter with friends is probably the greatest healers.

    Hope you are doing well Wally – I’m going to send you some positive energy in my thoughts. πŸ˜€

  76. I haven’t been posting here because I wanted to give this Vitamin A therapy a 1 month test. I started taking 100,000 IU of Vitamin A, Zinc, Selenium, B-complex, Flax seed oil, Vitamin E and Vitamin C around March 20th. During this period, I think I had one and a half weeks where my skin was virtually zit and blemish free. Other than that, it’s been the same roller coaster ride as always. I don’t know what else I can possibly try, but the Vitamin A therapy did not make me clear. I was really hoping this would finally be “My Cure”.

    I’ll be turning 24 next month, and living with Acne for the past 9 years or so has been really tough. Aside from going on Accutane, I don’t know what else to try. Frankly, I don’t know if Accutane will even work. I took two courses of it back in 1999 and it did nothing for me. For those that are taking the Vitamin A therapy, unless you are seeing consistent results, I would cease taking it. It hasn’t worked for me, and the risk for toxicity is obviously present.

  77. BeachBoy00
    I am surprised you sticked with it that long! I think everyone has come to the same general conclusion-it didn’t work. But at least we tried it.
    Maya
    Hows it goin? I was wondering how your skin was, you are still doing the relaxation exercised? My skin is looking better-I am trying to not eat as much sugar or wheat (its hard) and I am trying out the positive thinking-but I am still oily. Have you tried the self-hypnosis thing? I tried it last night and I think I probably only did it for 5 minutes but it was really nice, it relaxed me. I am about halfway through Skin Deep. Have you thought about going to a pro hypnotist? Hope you’re doing great. :lol

  78. Hi Wally – I am doing so much stuff (loads of topicals) and the supplements and excercise and a few breathing techniques – it’s become a bit too time consuming actually – think I need a break from it all for a while – maybe just do the breathing with topicals for a bit. Taking all those supplements is doing my head in!

    I’ve tried hypnotism in the past – I am one of those people who cannot be hypnotised unfortunately, my mind struggles with it – but I am fine doing the pranic breath – I like that and it’s very soothing.

  79. Just an update. I have started taking the brewers yeast too, it might help for my oily skin and it helps muscles. My skin was doing great for the last couple of days, then yesterday it looked like crap and I haven’t looked in the mirror yet. Today, I crashed and ate bad, I was so sick of eating so good. I know tomorrow I will probably eat good again, but it almost felt relieving to eat chicken finger and a chocolate chip cookie. I am really nervous too-on Friday I have to meet with an assistant dean of this college I got a scholarship too. I hope my acne gets somewhat better. Hope everyone else is doing good. Maya, I know what you mean, I am trying to tweek my routine until I find a simple one and most importantly it works. πŸ™‚ HeatherFeather, how is your skin doing?

  80. Wally – my skin is doing great right now – I gave up taking all those supplements a couple of weeks ago (Well, I still take my standard multi vit, Vit C, zinc and fish oils)

    For the past 8 days I have been doing the following:
    1. Putting on apple cider vinegar onto my face morning and night (and leaving it on)

    2. Drinking diluted lemon juice all day (half a teaspoon of juice to 1 full glass of water)

    It has totally changed my skin – it has dealt with red marks, and I had a couple of minor zits which died competely and my skin feels unbeliveably smooth.

    I met this girl on a course and over the last few months saw her face improve so dramatically – I asked her what she did – it was the above 2 things. Give it a try, you might be amazed yourself and it’s cheap!!

  81. HeatherFeather, how is your skin doing?

    Hey, y’all, it’s doing pretty good. I quit taking the Vitamin A right after the 1 month mark because I wasn’t feeling too good (not toxic, allergies or something) and I wanted to give my body a break so it could heal. I knew we’d be going out of town, and I had a lot coming up and didn’t have time to be sick. Life has been a whirlwind since, so I haven’t started back. I haven’t had any new acne in almost two weeks,
    but the oil has been terrible the past couple of days since it got hot. Urgh! I’ve been trying out the Aromaleigh mineral makeup and it looks great, except that I’m so oily. Let me know if that Brewers Yeast works, Wally!
    (do you know that I thought you were a girl for a while? LOL)

    I am trying to tweek my routine until I find a simple one and most importantly it works.

    .
    I want a simple routine, too. When life gets busy, I just can’t focus on taking supplements all day and having a two hour skin regimen in the morning and at night. I got stuff to do!
    Maya, great news! I have used vinegar, I think it was the apple cider vinegar, but it smelled like socks and I couldn’t take it any longer. It’s a good exfoliator and promotes cell turnover, right? Does your cider vinegar smell bad? The lemon water sounds refreshing and delicious. What does it do?

  82. HeatherFeather – Hi!!

    Glad to hear that you are clear. The lemon water (half a teaspoon lemon juice in 1 glass of water) seems to flush toxins -but very gently – I’m trying to drink this weak solution throughout the day.

    I’m using apple cider vinegar – if you dilute it to a weak solution, it does seem to help with exfoliation and some oiliness – also tones the skin up. Yes, it smells a bit but I’ve got used to it now.

  83. Maya, how do you dilute it? just put it in water?

    I just began using tazorac, and I’m getting that initial breakout, so I wanted to know if there’s anything I can do to possibly speed up the recovery process and get this breakout over with!

  84. Heather

    Congrats on no new acne. I wish we all were that lucky! I have been using the brewer’s yeast for almost a week now and my skin seems to be better. Recently, I have been following Maya’s advice too. A cool thing about the Brewer’s yeast is that Slaven, the guy who introduced it, said it helped with muscles. I can now eat a little bit more and it doesn’t really matter. Yah, I’m a guy. At least you know the truth :wink !!!

    Maya

    I have added the lemon juice thing and vinegar thing and it has been working out pretty good. Hopefully it will continue to get better!!!

  85. Maya

    Do you guys have a page set up about the vinegar/lemon thing on .org? I went to the link you provided and I didn’t read all of the 9 pages, so maybe I missed some of that.

  86. It’s all in a bit of a Jumble Wally, but it’s worth going through the 9 pages.

  87. Thanks MAYA!!!

    I copied the message I posted onto .org and am putting it here. Maybe some more people will find out about it πŸ™‚

    Anway, I have been following the vinegar/lemon thing juice for about 4-6 days, I don’t remember when I started it-and it has been awesome. I’ve had acne for 5 years and have been on everything, including Accutane. Nothing had really worked long term for me, so I am excited. My forehead was filled with all these spots and most of them are gone, now they’re are just tiny bumps that I am sure will go away. My nose is covered in blackheads, literally every pore and extremely shining. Using the vinegar/water thing, the blackheads look like they are about to pop out or something-gross but cool (Accutane was the only thing that could do this, and this has only been a week!). And one of the best parts, (I was using Tazorac on my face, which made my face discolored all over) the huge pores on my inner cheeks and normalized color and look a lot better-most of the blackheads in them are going away. I have rough skin, and on my cheeks there is some indents, mostly real shallow so I don’t know if I would call it scarring, but they seem to be smoothing out some, although it is too soon to tell.

    I am excited. I am just praying that this thing doesn’t blow up in my face or anything :D. I am actually thinking about sharing this with my mom, since it is mother’s day and all.

    Here is what I do. Before yesterday I was using Flavorite cider vinegar (only 88 cent (US)) and just dabbing it on the problem areas adn then I would throughout the day drink water with lemon juice (the bottled kind, I know it isnt the best, but I’m not going to squeeze the lemons all day!!!). Yesterday, after I read all ten pages of the post, I went and got some Heinz distilled white vinegar ($2 US). (I know cider vinegar is the best, but I was curious so I got this too). I put got a bottled water bottle and put soem water, cider vinegar, and white vinegar in it and then that is what I use for spots.

    Sorry to ramble on, I haven’t been this truly excited in a long time. The funny thing is I have tried these two things in the past, separately, and they both didn’t work.

    Just a caution: I’m a guy, and when I shaved, I stupidly put the vinegar over the area where I shaved after I just shaved. It stung really bad, I had some flaky skin there this morning, and there are some red bumps. So avoid putting this on freshly shaved skin. πŸ˜€

    Good luck to everyone!!!

  88. Hey Wally, I replied to you on the other board – but YEAH!!!!!! I’m delighted for you – you deserve it!! hehehehe – after all that Vit A stuff… it’s really vinegar and lemons, costing next to nothing that works!! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

  89. Thanks Maya. I haven’t checked that one, I will. I know, this is great. I just hope it keeps us. I even shared this with healthboards knowing i am goin to be bombared with the same ? over and over again. i printed out all the pages and gave it to my mom, maybe she’ll listen. πŸ™‚ I hope it continues to get better and better. The blackheads on my nose are really starting to come up and my rough areas on my outer cheeks are starting to smooth as well. I’m stoked!!! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

  90. We should start the vinegar and Lemon appreciation society!! πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

  91. What’s really funny about this thread is it’s heading now – don’t you think????

    It started off on the Vit A theory, followed by pranic breathing.. and now it’s about vinegar and lemons :crazyeyes

    (but I am still practising the pranic thing!!)

  92. πŸ™‚ . Our journey has taken many stops!!! I told my mom about it and she is going to try it-I hope it works for her too.

    I was just looking back at all the vitamins I have. I still take Brewers Yeast, Calcium Combo, and Selenium, but I have a whole drawer full of failed attempts. Kind of makes me angry that I wasted all my $ 😑

    Today my skin was a little more oiler than usual, but I also was nervous, and I know that has something to do with it. I am still skimping through Skin Deep every now and then, hopefully I can calm my nerves a little πŸ™‚

    One more quick thing. Have you been to absolute lately? The board is dead. Most of the regulars have left…

    I think it is great all those people who are on it on acne.org. I have gotten some interest on healthboards, but hopefully it will pick up steam!!!

    Good Luck-Hope we continue to get better and better results πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

  93. Yeah – hope it works well for your mom too πŸ˜€
    I’ve gone vinegar mad actually, I have been reading through a few websites – I’ll paste the links here so you can take a look, but it seems like a cure all!! Also, it’s a good, non-toxic cleaner and I have been cleaning my windows with it!! And it really works!!

    Yes, the absolute board seems very stale right now – it’s full of the same old questions time and time again. Every now and again I’ve taken a look – sometimes someone posts about having scars, and I’ll add a link to the acne.org scar board.. and it gets deleted by one of their moderators!! That’s so ridiculous, because hardly anyone on absolute has information about scar treatments.

    On the acne.org board, I have many times added the link to here/Mari’s board and occassionally to the absolute board – I think the more info that people can share the better.

    Anyway, since I am the moderator at the acne.org scar board, I guess people take my posts seriously and I do try my best to find good information for people. I love the whole community thing. πŸ˜€

    http://frugalliving.about.com/library/blvinpers.htm
    http://www.lacetoleather.com/wonderdrug.html

  94. I didn’t know that cider vinegar had so many uses????? Why can’t our cars run off this miracle :lol :lol :lol ????

    Yah, I hope it works for my mom too. She had very bad scarring, some almost craters. When she was growing up with acne during her teenage years, she went to the dermatologist and he tried the latest things on her (at that time). Like the sun lamp and all this stuff that didn’t work, but worst of all was the liquid nitrogen. She has two or three huge craters from this and becaues of her bad experience was very reluctant to take me to a dermatologist. When I was breaking out bad-very severe acne-she wouldn’t take me, saying I would grow out of it. I finally convinced her, but this was almost 2 years of acne, so it had time to get a foothold. 😑

    Today I am frustrated 😑 My skin was very oily and because of this, I wiped my forehead and now have a couple new spots. I don’t know what is happening. The vinegar/lemon thing was working, but now it has just stopped. My forehead looks a little better, but there are a lot of larger bumps, so I don’t know if it is cleaning everything out or what. My nose kind of looks the same-some of the blackheads are coming out, others are not. And my large inner pores with the blackheads-the blackheads are still there, but surfacing, again I don’t know if this is good or bad. And on my cheeks, I have broken out in little bumps. Not too bad (I’m used to it) but it still is bothersome. I hope this is just a plateau or a cleansing thing-it seems so promising. I am going to keep doing this, I just hope it doesn’t turn into another Vit A.

  95. Wally – try doing some relaxation techniqes too, that really seems to help when we get set backs.

    About your mom. there are so many possible scar treatments now that can do a lot of scar reversal – I am waiting to get an appointment to get subsicion, N-lite and Isolagen filler – that all comes as a super duper package – some of my pits are very deep and disfiguring, and I just want them sorted!!

    The vinegar/lemon method worked for this girl I know – but it took many months of continual use. I don’t know if it will work for everyone but there’s no harm in it and it’s so cheap to do.

  96. Hey Maya

    My skin is finally gettng better, I don’t know what happened, guess I just broke out bad. My forehead is finally clearing up-I still have some large spots and some blocked pores/bumps, but it is getting better. The pores on my nose are smaller, and the blackheads are continuing to slowly go away. My cheeks are also healing too, I still have some spots, but they are slowly leaving. πŸ˜€

    I’ve done a couple of things. First of all, I have cut back down on the sweets/sugar again. Second, I have cut out all the Minocycline, Brewer’s Yeast, Magnesium Combo, and the Selenium. I think it was the Selenium that my body didn’t like; doesn’t really make sense because it seems to help so many people. I have now started to take milk thistle (for the liver) and MSM (for the sulfur in it).

    Topically, I have cut out the white cider. On my left side of my face I use lemon juice topically, and on my right side I use the cider vinegar. I just thought I would try and compare them. I had used lemon juice in the past topically, but it was during Accuatne and maybe that is why is didn’t work.

    I hope everything is going good for you. I have noticed that my rough spots seem to be slowly leveling out.

  97. Hey Wally – still experimenting!! Well, it’s good to do that. Glad things are clearing up for you. Diet does play an important role. Apart from honey, I do try and limit sweet things. For me, wheat is the worst culprit – I have to limit that (but I never give anything up).

    I’m doing really well. I have a new boyfriend who doesn’t seem to notice my scarring at all – how cool is that?!!!!! He even said he thought I had nice skin!! (Maybe he is blind!!) It’s probably because he hasn’t seen me without my coverup makeup. It’s easier for girls to cover their skin that guys.

    Really went out on the piss (English term for getting drunk) last night – had a lot of fun. Am recovering from it right now.

    My skin – well, the vinegar is really helping me and I am still doing the lactic peels every week which helps too. I too have cut out most of my vitamins – only taking a multi and extra Vit C and Zinc now. That’s enough. Can’t stand to pop all these pills anymore.

  98. Hi Wally – yes, acne is pretty much under control – but I couldn’t resist a couple of hours in the sun this morning.. and that often results in a mini breakout.. we’ll see.

    I’m booked in on the 25th for subcision and N-lite – the derm is also going to take a skin graft from behind my ear – I’m getting Isolagen too. Fingers crossed it all works out. I’m starting

    to get bored dealing with my scars.

    How about you?

  99. Thats good to hear! Hope your NLite and subcision go well! That sucks about the sun, for most people the sun helps. I mowed the yard and got some sun today, hope I don’t break out too!

    My skin is looking better. Its not perfect, but its better than before. I have been on B5 and some other stuff which really seem to help. Topically I am still using the vinegar and am using the lemon juice to help with the leftover red marks. I want to be as clear as I can when school starts, so hopefully I can get there!

    Are you still doing all the mediation?

  100. Glad your skin is getting better Wally. I never tried B5, but I have mainly heard good news about it.

    Yes, I am still going the pranic breathing (really excellent for stress!) and I am booked to do a Qi Gong course in August – and if that goes well, will probably do more of that as it’s very good for self healing.. and also healing others.

  101. Every once and a while I do the breathing, but of late I haven’t. Yah, I hope my skin is going to stay like this, especially when I up my B5 dose, then I should hopefully see some real good results. Glad to hear that your skin is doing so good! Hope it stays that way.

  102. The mod stated that at the end of the Vit A therapy the acne would come right back. Dr Mercola of http://www.mercola.com tends to think that one will stay clear for a period of time after taking the vitamin A

  103. they also didn`t take the vitamin A for long enough… some said they took it for a month and it didn`t work…if it is suppoed to be similar to accutane, they don`t put you on accutane for a month do they??? no

  104. I am on 300,000 IU for one month a 100,000 IU for 3 months I will let you know how it works out

  105. god sent me, he heard all your prayers and gave me the mission to help the ones that can hear.
    dont know how to translate this correctly, but maybe you know the quotation
    “those who have ears, listen!”

    I’m all ears.

    The other point is that I will help people I dont like!
    man, I could be the one with perfect skin.
    but what is it worth when everyone can have perfect skin??
    it is the same to be rich, when everyone is rich.

    Dont kid yourself. Not everyone will have perfect skin. Never. Not everyone can be rich. Not gonna happen.

    I dont wonder why noone found the solution. the real solution is on the one side much easier than most of you expect, but on the other side it is more complex that you know.
    I wonder why I did take so long to find it, but if I know think about it; all over you get wrong information.
    I dont know whether the pharmaceutical mafia spreads wrong informatin all around or whether the scientists really dont know it better…………
    but the most interesting things are always “hidden” in paradox things
    anyway, later you can make up you own mind

    Just my own opinion…but too much information is not good for people. Information overload. People then shut down their thought process and turn to other events/ideas that are less complex. And yes it appears to be some sort of mind control of the masses, perpetrated by government and industry leaders (the wealthy). Yet perhaps some of this is done to protect us. Sometimes we may be better off not knowing the truth.

    The paradox you speak of may simply be that within all the misinformation we have at our disposal, there indeed lies a truth. It is “hidden” as you suggest, yet right in front of our eyes. It reminds me of the “Where’s Waldo” scenarios. Waldo is in the picture somewhere but all the other things around him create a visually complex picture, therefore hard to find him. Patience is required along with a clear idea of what he looks like (we know this, so it makes the “game” easier). But in real life and in particular what you speak of, we do not always know exactly what we are looking for…so much harder to find something then, yes??

    i dont know whether i should post this now. i message without message.
    its so idiotic to announce something. i doubt that ill post it, but on the other hand i know ill post it, because i have to……………………………
    i hate people to depend on me. i wished someone else would take my part, but noone did. why?
    this world must be an illusion and a test for me!!
    and that is exactly the reason why you will hear from me.

    If you indeed have the answer, than you must present it. Why would you say something of such impact and keep it to yourself? Who are you serving?? The right thing to do is to post your information. Do not be afraid or intimidated. Some people will laugh and scoff at your ideas, yet many others may take it seriously. Those who do, well…you could be of great service to them! You could help them cure their acne condition!!

    Anyways, what are you really trying to accomplish here?? I only ask because I find your mind set intruiging yet somewhat aloof.

    Russell

  106. FightingFireWithFire, why the new name? I’m also interested in what you have to say, although I am very skeptical. I still believe that what you came up with last time was promising, although it needed a lot more research. I agree with RK that a simple explanation would be helpful, but I (and others) would also like to know where you came up with your information and your sources. Your sources last time were suspect. I look forward to reading it.

  107. I think his theory is very valid. If you read all the posts, there is evidence that more than 10,00 IU of vitamin A is safe. Plus, with this you do not have the side effects of accutane either, NO excessively dry skin or chap lips. The reason I thought I would share this is that I have been using it for a week and although I am not 100% clear, I have started to notice a slow diffrence. If trying to break it down, the body does not naturally make enough NATURAL accutane and therefore uses B Vitamins, Selenium, and Zinc to help convert all the vitamin A you are taking into usable Isotretinion (sp?) so that you’re body can use it and help it with your acne. Like I mentioned above, I am trying this, it is the least you can do.

    Be very careful taking vitamin A and Zinc, I mentioned this to a couple of doctors who were horrified to hear people self prescribing A without much hard knowledge of it works… check with your gp or derm first.

  108. hey all …

    im new to this board … definately not new to the acne issue thats surrounding all of us here. Im reading your posts on vitamin A and i always think its a good idea to try something new … always new findings with different experiments… but with the good, always comes the bad. I use to do megadosing of vitamin B5 for 3 months, atleast 9 grams a day for 3 months; yes it did help the acne, but i think it brought on a whole different problem that im facing because of the dosing i was using.

    I do believe this megadosing of vitamin A is going to lead to toxicity and maybe even something worse long-run. you guys must learn to take everything in moderation, i dont believe overduing any kind of situation ur in is going to give u a positive outcome … i just hope you guys dont ruin your bodies, acne is a terrible thing were faced with … ive tried everything as well from taking probiotics, to microdermabrations, to topical creams, but I have faced the consequences of what i use to use.

    I do believe 3 grams of vitamin b5 (per day) in combination with ur omega 3-6-9 (2 a day) (fish oil / essential fatty acids) and atleast 4 big glasses of water a day, mixed with 20 mins of jogging and icing your skin down at night as well as putting toothpaste on inflamed regions is very effective .. im suffering as muh as u guys here … but i dont believe vitamin a is the key, and i think u guys should start thinking of your own future health and learn to try in moderation instead of experiementing at serious doses, take this advice from someone thats been there.

  109. This megadosing of Vit. A has me questioning. do you have to take it forever to stay clear, OR is it like accutane and you do it for a few months. I would also suggest getting a blood test every once in a while if you have good insurance.

  110. suppliments only provide ur body with the nutrients for as long as ur on it … but i wouldnt go at these serious doses of vit a … seems too risky to me … every body reacts differently … so i suggest that all of u that want to try anything like this … be aware of the consequences … not everyones body is the same … some maybe able to handle it … some cant …

    its too high of a dose these people take to be even considered an alternate to fighting acne … b5 would be a safer substitute…

  111. ev

    I appreciate your insight and everything does have consequences. Overdosing on anything-B5, zinc, Vitamin A, fish oils, etc has its drawbacks. But for people with different health problems, there body is obviously lacking something or there is a problem, hence the need for additional. Let me also caution you that the RDA for most vitamins is VERY low. The RDA is the average for people, so some people need a lot less and some people need a lot more. I firmly believe that people with some acne are lackin in an enzyme or something, I have no idea what, that can snowball into other problems-liver problems, digestion problems, intolerance to cetain chemicals, etc. But everyone’s body is different, which is why acne has eluded peopel for so long.

    While everyone is different, I think there are some basic vitamins that can help a lot. Vitamin A, Vitamin E, B5, Zinc, and some others (fish oils, Chromium, digestive enzymes, anti-oxidants, although these are probably more individualized to person to person). Vitamin A is not something to be taken lightly, there are consequences. But Vitamin A is an essential ingrediant orally in Accutane and topically in the retinoids (Tazorac, Retin A, Retin A Micro, Differin) which are succesful for some, but not all people with acne. Also, Vitamin A is a lot more researched vitamin than B5 and others, especially for acne. With more information comes more knowledge-both good and bad. Perhaps in the future, B5 will prove to be unsafe in high doses-who knows.

    However, I think that as long as you monitor your health and know your body, some vitamin A doses as high as 100,000 IU for a SHORT PERIOD OF TIME are fine. As long as you watch yourself and do not do it for extended periods of time. If you are worried, blood work may be an option. I have not heard specifically how much Vitamin A is in Accutane, but I’ve heard anywhere from 200,000-300,00IU+, so you are not taking as much as Accutane.

    Here is some interesting information about Vitamin A:

    http://www.vitasentials.com/a-25.htm

    With everything though, balance is key. Taking too much Vitamin A for too long with inevitably have consequences, some presumably negative, but for short periods of time I do not see why people should not try overdosing on vitamins, as long as they are aware of side effects.

  112. Okay I agree that the article presented here was rather informative, but there are times when the acne problems are so acute that it seems no theory in this world can rectify the problem. My younger brother who had unfortunately developed this problem was gradually improving with the aid of medication but for no reason the problem suddenly relapsed and he was again entangled with the same problem. Now he was on his medicines so it even took the doctors by surprise! At present he is again on the healing process but we fear the condition may worsen again. So how can you define this?

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