My acne scars are 80% improved and improving daily!

Well I thought I’d post and tell you of my experiences and let you know there IS light at the end of the tunnel :angel

I’d read about needling and subcision a few years ago and my first experience was at home with a sewing needle and surgical spirit! I sterlised everything with the surgical spirit (including my face) and pricked my face hundreds of times with the needle. I didn’t go in deep (a mm or two). Once you wash your face afterwards it just looks a little red. It DID improve my acne a little.

From there I bought a tattoo gun off ebay. That had the same effect and results as above. I’d bought some topical anaesthtic by this time, though, so it wasn’t too painful.

My doctor knew it was getting to me and I kept pushing to be referred to Dr Chu (it was me that had to do all the research). In the years leading up this I’d gotten two referrals to laser ‘specialists’ both of whom told me nothing could be done!

So a year ago I had my first consulation with Dr Chu at Hammersmith. He spoke to me about it teh fist time and then gave me N-Light. That wasn’t too painful. A little like somone flicking a rubber band on your skin and a slight feeling of heat. No real redness or ‘downtime’. To be honest, though, I didn’t see much improvement.

One thing Dr Chu did advise me was to begin taking 500mg of vitamin c daily. Ever wondered why smokers skin looks bad? well it’s because every cigaretts uses vitamin c to mop of the free radicals when it should be being used to build collagen. Make sure you have a surplus of it in your system!!

3 months later I went back to Dr Chu and had subcision. He cuts the connective tissue between your skin and the underlying tissue. Then I had my face squeezed by a nurse for 10 minutes to minimize bleeding! I have to say, though, that the downtime on this is significant (10 days). I looked like I’d been beaten up. I had black eyes from my eyebrows to the end of my chin, as well as swelling. It looked like it ws going to clear things up but unfortunately the scars came back, albeit reduced.

At home I was now using Bio-Oil. Dr Chu hadn’t even heard of it and dismissed it but I’ve found it DOES lesson the redness of some of the scars and evens out skin tone.

Six months ago I hard my first session with a Dermaroller. I’m sure you all know what that is. It’s about the size of a sewing machine bobbin with hundreds of needles that are about 2mm long sticking out of it. Dr Chu said that he’s worked out that you end up with about 2500 pricks in yours face! I have to say that even with the topical anaesthetic the pain is excrutiating! It’s akin to having a lit cigarette dragged over your skin. Certainly a lot more painful than the tattoo gun I’d used previously.

Last time I seen Dr Chu was just a fortnight or so ago. Again, I had the dermaroller. I questioned him on this and he said that the company he buyes them from http://www.oniskai.com/shop/index.php?language=en sell a version that’s available to the public. It’s needles are only 0.15mm in length and the pain is bearable. It costs £77 and the compant are very helpful. I was able to pay them with paypal when my credit card didn’t wrk and my bank wanted £21 to do it! They say it’s not suitable for acne scarring but it’s up to you if you believe that.

There are other dermarollers available from Leaf and Rusher (on ebay and elsewhere) and one from here http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Clearskincare-acne-scar-hair-loss that’s sold with a copper peptide solution

Dr Chu had said to me previously that he was doing tests with Human Growth Hormone and hoped to use this in conjuction with the dermaroller. This time he said that the tests had been disappointing. I asked if there was any cream that did stimulate collagen growth and he told me of one called Terproline. He sold me a tube (that cost £60) and advised I used it day and night. The strength he sold me is only available to dermatologists but there is another strength available to the general public.

And in the 2 weeks since my last visit (and just a week of using the home dermaroller in conjuction with the Terproline) my skin has improved no end. It’s probably 50% better than it was a fortnight ago. I’ve been using the dermaroller every night. I do spray myself with a little xylocaine first as I like to use the dermaroller all ways!

Further to what Dr Chu said about vitamin C I’ve now bought some vitamin I intend to use after I’ve dermarollered my skin (the tiny holes created by the dermaroller are supposed to increase the efficacy of topical creams by up to 4000%, I’ve read).

I’ve also read of the properties of yaluronic acid and have bought a vegan version today from here http://www.wilsons-ha.co.uk/. I’ve nopt spoken to Dr Chu about this but it certainly can’t do any harm for such a paltry sum, can it?

So all in all over the last year my skin has improved about 80%. It’s only in certain lights that you can now see there are a few indentations left. That said, the improvement over the last week with the dermaroller and Terproline has been astonishing.

There IS light at the end of the tunnel! :mrgreen

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8 thoughts on “My acne scars are 80% improved and improving daily!

  1. Hi, Adamski, I just now read your message for the first time. I haven’t been checking the scar forum regularly. Thank you for the very detailed and informative post. It’s been awfully slow on the board for a while now, don’t know why. I feel like I’m just talking to myself most of the time. I’m so glad to hear that the treatments are working for you. I bought the Leaf and Rusher dermaroller a year or two ago but my skin started to get really irritated and I couldn’t handle it. I’m not sure if I still have it. I may have gotten rid of it or damaged it when I moved. I have pretty sensitive skin and some of the topicals I use can be a little irritating also.

    I had a Jessner peel done years ago and I really regret having had it done. I guess the pitted areas are a little shallower, but it really damaged my skin, seemingly permanently. It did something very weird to the texture of my skin (made it kind of stiff and plastic-like — hard to describe) and I’m having a lot of trouble with constant dry skin now. I guess it looks smoother than it used to when I wear foundation make-up though. I am 55 years old (an acne "lifer" apparently). I had been using the Clear Skin Serum all over my face but a couple of weeks ago I stopped doing that and have been using it only as a spot treatment. I’m still using the MyChelle Vit. C serum all over my face. My skin feels sandpapery a lot of the time, except maybe right after I use the Pumpkin Enzyme Peel. I just bought her new Tropical Skin Smoother scrub which is supposed to exfoliate more deeply than her Fruit Enzyme Scrub. I think that doing the enzyme peels at home regularly have helped soften down the scarring to a degree. Maybe needling would help. I wonder if getting some kind of laser treatment would help the damage done by the chemical peel, or if it would just thin it out more and make it worse.

    I got this info about Terproline Face Cream at http://www.skinmed.co.uk/acatalog/Synchroline_Terproline.html :

    TERPROLINE® Face Cream (50ml)

    Method of Use
    Use as a day and night cream, massage in gently until full absorption, Should leave no residue or feeling of stickiness. Oleosome technology provides long lasting effects by slowly releasing the active ingredients over time acting as a reservoir. Also the Oleosome structure maintains the delicate structure and stability of the active ingredients for longer. Oleosome technology also enhances application and absorption
    TERPROLINE® Face with Oleosomes 50 ml.

    INGREDIENTS (INCI):

    AQUA (WATER), PPG-15 STEARYL ETHER, STEARETH-2, PROPYLENE GLYCOL, GLYCERIN, STEARETH-21, CETEARYL ALCOHOL, DIMETHICONE, STEARIC ACID, CETEARYL ETHYLHEXANOATE, MADECASSOSIDE, ACETYL GLUCOSAMINE, HYDROLYZED FIBRONECTIN, SORBITOL, PEG-4 PROLINE LINOLENATE, CERAMIDE 3, ASIATICOSIDE, SODIUM HYALURONATE, TOCOPHERYL ACETATE, SACCHARIDE ISOMERATE, CERAMIDE 6 II, BENZYL PCA, PEG-4 PROLINE LINOLEATE, PHYTOSPHINGOSINE, CHOLESTEROL, GLYCINE SOJA PROTEIN (GLYCINE SOJA (SOYBEAN) PROTEIN), CETEARYL GLUCOSIDE, CERAMIDE 1, CARBOMER, DISODIUM EDTA, BHT, SODIUM LAUROYL LACTYLATE, XANTHAN GUM, PHENOXYETHANOL, SODIUM HYDROXIDE, PARFUM (FRAGRANCE).

  2. Thanks for replying, Lenore. Thought I was talking to myself there, for a while!

    It’s a shame that you can’t use the dermaroller as it really does work (well for me, anyhow). It also allows the topical solutions to really be absorbed and not just sit on the surface. I don’t know the needle length of the Leaf and Rusher dermaroller but I have two different ones now (the two I spoke of in the first post) and the Austrialian one has needles that are 0.75mm. That’s considerably longer than the one I bought from France. Considerably more painful, too! That’s wy I use a topical anaesthetic before I use it.

    The one thing Dr Chu enthused about was how necessary vitamin c was. I’ve now found a US company that sell vials of ascorbic acid specifically for skin treatment (not dressed up and sold as cosmetics. This comes in laboratory vials!) and that’s at – http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Skin-Actives-Scientific

    I’ve also been reading up on the specific sort of collagen that helps with skin (so many that re sold are for joint or hair) and the best I’ve found – each tablet is a whopping 2000mg – can be found here http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZskinniesshop

    I’ve also been using msm powder/tablets. That doesn’t seem to get much press but form what I’ve read it should be a much valued addition to anyone dealing with acne scars

  3. Thanks for the info Adamski. I’ve been using Mychelle Dermaceuticals vitamin C serum for years now: see http://www.mychelleusa.com/index.php?action=item&id=7

    A vitamin C treatment containing stabilized L-ascorbic acid at 17 percent concentration, complexed with other antioxidants such as wine phytoalexins, CoQ10, retinol, lycopene, beta carotene, D-beta glucosamine and D-beta fructan. L-ascorbic acid stimulates and supports those enzymes in the skin that produce and maintain collagen. Excellent for Acne skin too!

    They say to use it twice a day, but I find it to be too irritating to use that often. I’ve been using it every other night and my skin has been staying clear. I’ve also been using The Gloria Martel SkinLift light which I feel helps a myriad of skin issues also. (See http://www.gloriamartel.com ). I spoke with Gloria Martel and she also recommended another light called the Bioptron. It’s very expensive though.

  4. Well I thought I’d post and tell you of my experiences and let you know there IS light at the end of the tunnel :angel

    I’d read about needling and subcision a few years ago and my first experience was at home with a sewing needle and surgical spirit! I sterlised everything with the surgical spirit (including my face) and pricked my face hundreds of times with the needle. I didn’t go in deep (a mm or two). Once you wash your face afterwards it just looks a little red. It DID improve things a little.

    From there I bought a tattoo gun off ebay. That had the same effect and results as above. I’d bought some topical anaesthtic by this time, though, so it wasn’t too painful.

    My doctor knew it was getting to me and I kept pushing to be referred to Dr Chu (it was me that had to do all the research). In the years leading up this I’d gotten two referrals to laser ‘specialists’ both of whom told me nothing could be done!

    So a year ago I had my first consulation with Dr Chu at Hammersmith. He spoke to me about it teh fist time and then gave me N-Light. That wasn’t too painful. A little like somone flicking a rubber band on your skin and a slight feeling of heat. No real redness or ‘downtime’. To be honest, though, I didn’t see much improvement.

    One thing Dr Chu did advise me was to begin taking 500mg of vitamin c daily. Ever wondered why smokers skin looks bad? well it’s because every cigaretts uses vitamin c to mop of the free radicals when it should be being used to build collagen. Make sure you have a surplus of it in your system!!

    3 months later I went back to Dr Chu and had subcision. He cuts the connective tissue between your skin and the underlying tissue. Then I had my face squeezed by a nurse for 10 minutes to minimize bleeding! I have to say, though, that the downtime on this is significant (10 days). I looked like I’d been beaten up. I had black eyes from my eyebrows to the end of my chin, as well as swelling. It looked like it ws going to clear things up but unfortunately the scars came back, albeit reduced.

    At home I was now using Bio-Oil. Dr Chu hadn’t even heard of it and dismissed it but I’ve found it DOES lesson the redness of some of the scars and evens out skin tone.

    Six months ago I hard my first session with a Dermaroller. I’m sure you all know what that is. It’s about the size of a sewing machine bobbin with hundreds of needles that are about 2mm long sticking out of it. Dr Chu said that he’s worked out that you end up with about 2500 pricks in yours face! I have to say that even with the topical anaesthetic the pain is excrutiating! It’s akin to having a lit cigarette dragged over your skin. Certainly a lot more painful than the tattoo gun I’d used previously.

    Last time I seen Dr Chu was just a fortnight or so ago. Again, I had the dermaroller. I questioned him on this and he said that the company he buyes them from http://www.oniskai.com/shop/index.php?language=en sell a version that’s available to the public. It’s needles are only 0.15mm in length and the pain is bearable. It costs £77 and the compant are very helpful. I was able to pay them with paypal when my credit card didn’t wrk and my bank wanted £21 to do it! They say it’s not suitable for acne scarring but it’s up to you if you believe that.

    There are other dermarollers available from Leaf and Rusher (on ebay and elsewhere) and one from here http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Clearskincare-acne-scar-hair-loss that’s sold with a copper peptide solution

    Dr Chu had said to me previously that he was doing tests with Human Growth Hormone and hoped to use this in conjuction with the dermaroller. This time he said that the tests had been disappointing. I asked if there was any cream that did stimulate collagen growth and he told me of one called Terproline. He sold me a tube (that cost £60) and advised I used it day and night. The strength he sold me is only available to dermatologists but there is another strength available to the general public.

    And in the 2 weeks since my last visit (and just a week of using the home dermaroller in conjuction with the Terproline) my skin has improved no end. It’s probably 50% better than it was a fortnight ago. I’ve been using the dermaroller every night. I do spray myself with a little xylocaine first as I like to use the dermaroller all ways!

    Further to what Dr Chu said about vitamin C I’ve now bought some vitamin I intend to use after I’ve dermarollered my skin (the tiny holes created by the dermaroller are supposed to increase the efficacy of topical creams by up to 4000%, I’ve read). I bought mine from here: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Purrfect-Day-From-Just-Perfect

    I’ve also read of the properties of yaluronic acid and have bought a vegan version today from here http://www.wilsons-ha.co.uk/. I’ve nopt spoken to Dr Chu about this but it certainly can’t do any harm for such a paltry sum, can it?

    So all in all over the last year my skin has improved about 80%. It’s only in certain lights that you can now see there are a few indentations left. That said, the improvement over the last week with the dermaroller and Terproline has been astonishing.

    There IS light at the end of the tunnel! :mrgreen

    hey adamski, thanks a lot for the information! i signed up on this site just to thank you! i live in usa, so seeing dr. chu isn’t practical for me. but i’ve heard a lot of good about him.
    i’m using the .75mm home dermaroller, and i just bought some terproline. i hope i see results like you are. thanks again!

  5. I’ve only just logged in after a few weeks away so sorry I haven’t got back to people.

    Mindbender. I had the .75mm dermaroller from Australia. It’s certainly more effective than the .25 one I bought from France. Dr Chu uses a 1.5mm on me at the hospital and he told me that that wasn’t available to the general public as it was for the medical profession only. I then found one on ebay and bought one. I find it painful to use – even with a topical anaesthetic – but it’s the daddy compared to the other two! Dr Chu was getting me up to London every three months but now I have my own I do three treatment about once a month, instead. The downtime is only about three days (I did mine again on saturday evening and have just been out to the shop and no-one gave me a second glance so it’s clearly not noticibly angry looking).

    And acnecs, I make up an ascorbic acid solution that I bathe my face with after I’ve done the dermaroller. It’s stings for about an hour but it seems to help as I am noticing very real differences. Thanks for the link, too!

  6. hey guys,
    i just got my terproline in the mail. do you use it AND vitamin C? like, dermaroll w/ the .75mm, then apply terproline, then apply vitamin C? or do you just use one or the other?

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