Solomio….could you help me?

Solomio,
Hope you’re well girl!
I’ve read many of your posts on Vitamin supplementation and decided the other day to buy some Zinc. However, when I got back to my office I realised I’d picked up a combination of Vitamin C & Zinc. It’s called Sustained Release Vitamin C & Zinc, and is from my local Boots chemist.
Now….I was taking 1000mgs of Vit C a day anyway, and these combo tablets contain 500mgs of Vit C & 15mgs of Zinc. Would taking 2 of these tablets be okay, or is that too much Zinc? Should I instead take one 500mg tab of Vit C and then one tablet of the comination tablet, so that I still get 1000mgs of Vit C and just 15mgs of Zinc a day?
Your good advice would be very much appreciated!
Best Regards, Emma.

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  1. Solomio,
    Hope you’re well girl!
    I’ve read many of your posts on Vitamin supplementation and decided the other day to buy some Zinc. However, when I got back to my office I realised I’d picked up a combination of Vitamin C & Zinc. It’s called Sustained Release Vitamin C & Zinc, and is from my local Boots chemist.
    Now….I was taking 1000mgs of Vit C a day anyway, and these combo tablets contain 500mgs of Vit C & 15mgs of Zinc. Would taking 2 of these tablets be okay, or is that too much Zinc? Should I instead take one 500mg tab of Vit C and then one tablet of the comination tablet, so that I still get 1000mgs of Vit C and just 15mgs of Zinc a day?
    Your good advice would be very much appreciated!
    Best Regards, Emma.

    well I’m obvioulsy not solomio but I’ll try to help.

    I know zinc is used to treat acne, but zinc taken before sleep on an empty stomach has been shown to improve testosterone level by 400% (on a small amount of time tough), but people have experienced increased acne during this kind of supplementatiopn (30 mg one dose at night) so you might want to avoid taking zinc before sleep.

  2. zinc at night = 400% testosterone? 😮 im gonna order some zinc when i start the gym again 😛 and screw acne 😛

  3. Mod,
    Thanks for answering! Haven’t seen you around for a while….are you well?
    I wouldn’t take Zinc at night…..I would take it in the morning after breakfast along with my other supplements.
    My quesiton is 15 or 30mgs a day?
    Thanks for popping along and offering your advice though! Testosterone????don’t want any of that…..want my man to have plenty; not me!!
    Emma.

  4. Emma,
    1000mg is a gram of vitamin C and most people can tolerate at least 3 grams of C in a day without getting the ‘runs.’ I have gone up to 10 grams of vitam C on a daily basis when my allergies have been really troublesome. 30mg of zinc is not too high a dose for a woman to take, on a daily basis, to get rid of breakouts. Maya takes 45mg on a regular basis and I have upped my intake to 30mg, daily, after I read how zinc repairs injuried skin at a higher rate than it would otherwise have been repaired. Emma, just always eat when you take zinc as it will turn your stomach really bad if you don’t eat something. And if possible break the dose into 2 take half with breakfast, and the second dose with lunch or dinner, if this is possible, if it is not possible it is still ok to take it all at once in the morning.

    Emma, I am curious about the form of zinc that is in the English formula that you got at the chemist shop. Could you tell me which form of zinc they put into the tablets?

    On vitamin C and sex hormones I learned the following when I was doing some research for the vit C thread. Here is a quote from, “Vitamin C Clears Up Your Skin/Relationship To The Liver” thread.

    Taking vitamin C will NOT increase a man’s level of testosterone beyond what is NORMAL for his body. This means that for a man who has a level of testosterone that is below what he SHOULD HAVE he will have his testosterone level rise to the normal level for a man once he takes enough vit C to raise his level of testosterone to the normal level for a man.

    For a woman the hormones that a woman SHOULD HAVE will rise to the NORMAL LEVEL for a woman’s body. If a woman has a level of testosterone that is above what she should have then vitamin C will, in time, level out this hormone in her body and she will balance out to have the level of testosterone a woman is supposed to have in her body. What happens is that this nutrient helps the human body gain a BALANCE at what is a normal level for each sex.

    Solomio

  5. yes, i agree.. most multivitamin supplements contain roughly 1000mg of vitamin C which is about 1600% of the RDA.. so it’s already overkill most of the time. i wouldn’t worry about an extra 500mg or a gram. it’s water soluable, so the excess will be flushed out in your urine.

    as for zinc, i have read up a lot on it and as long as you keep it below 100mg a day, you should be fine. optimal dosage seems to be around 15mg-50mg daily. you can get the better forms of zinc, optizinc, and the even better l-optizinc.. and i’m assuming you could take a lower dosage of them since they are more bioavailable.

    according to the patent holder, “Research shows that a high-fiber meal can inhibit zinc absorption to under 3% of the amount consumed. A 1992 study showed that OptiZinc® actually resists dietary fiber and phytate, and increases zinc absorption better than ordinary zinc supplements tested. In addition, unlike other zinc supplements, OptiZinc® will not adversely affect copper absorption.”

  6. zinc at night = 400% testosterone? 😮 im gonna order some zinc when i start the gym again 😛 and screw acne 😛

    Yep zinc at night boosts the test levels. But only for like half an hour so no muscle growth can occur from zinc supplementation.

    People have reported more energy, weird dreams and acne (especially with the use of ZMA a zinc magnesium complex).

  7. Testosterone????don’t want any of that…..want my man to have plenty; not me!!
    Emma.

    Oh yes I’m OK

    Bump for the testosterone for your man, we all know that you like him hairy down there

    about the zinc,

    buy zinc gluconate at the pharmacy (they sell phamaceutical grade one) it’s cheap, take 30 mg ON AN EMPTY STOMACH first thing in the morning, it will not do anything as far as stomach problem because zinc gluconate is a higly avalaible form.

    Zinc sulfate is bad for the stomach not zinc gluconate.

  8. 🙂 mod,
    The gluconate is, I think, a better form for magnesium so it follows that it is a better form of zinc. Citrate is also a good form because it does absorb well.

    Often they use picolinate with zinc picolinate being the most common form of zinc available here; the picolinate makes me turn if I take it on an empty stomach. Thank you for the info on how to get around this problem. I have to change my zinc anyway and I have been planning on getting the optizinc from England.

    Glycinate is probably the best form of any mineral and this form in a straight formula is quite difficult to find here in the states. Mod, have you tried the glycinate in zinc or any other mineral?
    Solomio

  9. 🙂 mod,
    The gluconate is the better type of magnesium so it follows that it is the better form of zinc.

    It is difficult to find straight gluconate formula of minerals here in the states. Often they use picolinate with zinc picolinate being the most common form of zinc available here; the picolinate makes me turn if I take it on an empty stomach. Thank you for the info on how to get around this problem.
    Solomio

    well funny thing is that gluconate was the easiest stuff to find in france, just every pharmacy caries it 🙂

  10. mod,
    That makes a lot of sense to me. I suspect that your government has a say on what is available for the general public to buy in a drugstore. I am not saying this is bad in fact I think this is really a good protective measure for most citizens.

    I say this because you told me about how your government controls the prescription drug market by issuing tax credit to the citizens for using the most effective prescription drugs, and thus eliminating the least effective prescription drugs from the market because who wants to buy a product that has no tax rebate attached to it.

    So it stands that your government would also have a say on what non-prescription items would be offered for sale. It helps the consumer as many do not have the time or the inclination to study about various forms of vitamins/minerals.
    Solomio

  11. mod,
    Please note that I changed my post a couple of minutes after I posted it because I realized that it is the glycinate that is near to impossible to find in a pure formulation here.

    I searched for magnesium glycinate a year ago and could not find it locally where I live. I wanted a small amount to start to try this form of magnesium before buying it in an expensive quantity. I settled on the magnesium citrate, which is readly available here, and had good luck with it.

    The gluconate is quite available here but it is mostly mixed with other forms like the citrate or the picolinate or even with the oronate(sp?)or the oxide. I have read that the oxide is not absorbed very well so I don’t understand why it is still used?

    On the gluconate, I also have in my notes that it does not always absorb completely unless there is some form of acid taken with it. Absorbic acid (vit C) is good for this job but I remember you cannot take straight absorbic acid; I thought I would throw that piece of info out for anyone else who reads this.
    Solomio

  12. mod,
    That makes a lot of sense to me. I suspect that your government has a say on what is available for the general public to buy in a drugstore. I am not saying this is bad in fact I think this is really a good protective measure for most citizens.

    I say this because you told me about how your government controls the prescription drug market by issuing tax credit to the citizens for using the most effective prescription drugs, and thus eliminating the least effective prescription drugs from the market because who wants to buy a product that has no tax rebate attached to it.

    So it stands that your government would also have a say on what non-prescription items would be offered for sale. It helps the consumer as many do not have the time or the inclination to study about various forms of vitamins/minerals.
    Solomio

    Our govenerment has a lot to say in about everything :lol .

    I have to say that when it comes to health I’m totally on the opposite side, I’m for total liberalism in the med market. I think people can be smart enough to make informed choice about what to take and not to take, I really hate the fact that you have to go to the doctor to get precription drugs. I would like to see all drugs avalaible OTC. Unfortunately that will never happen.

  13. mod,
    Please note that I changed my post a couple of minutes after I posted it because I realized that it is the glycinate that is near to impossible to find in a pure formulation here.

    I searched for magnesium glycinate a year ago and could not find it locally where I live. I wanted a small amount to start to try this form of magnesium before buying it in an expensive quantity. I settled on the magnesium citrate, which is readly available here, and had good luck with it.

    The gluconate is quite available here but it is mostly mixed with other forms like the citrate or the picolinate or even with the oronate(sp?)or the oxide. I have read that the oxide is not absorbed very well so I don’t understand why it is still used?

    On the gluconate, I also have in my notes that it does not always absorb completely unless there is some form of acid taken with it. Absorbic acid (vit C) is good for this job but I remember you cannot take straight absorbic acid; I thought I would throw that piece of info out for anyone else who reads this.
    Solomio

    I got my minerals from a compounder in beteshda MD, I don’t take gluconate since the tane (started to react badly to it).

    for magnesium I go with aspartate, I can take it on an empty stomach with absolutely no sides. Might want to try a compounder if you are a big consumer of vit/minerals and you want special mixtures and no filling. You might find glycinate forms.

    About the oxyde I really don’t know why they still use that stuff, maybe because some don’t want chelated minerals, oxyde tends to acclerate
    the cell oxydation.

    Problem with citrate is that it tends to make the blood and urine a bit more alkalin. But it’s a good form. When I have a hard training and I want to impress a friend I take potassium citrate to fight the formation of lactic acid, it acts like a buffer.

    But really france can’t compare to US when it come to vit/minerals. There’s not a big choice of prepration in france. And I’m not even talking about morocco 🙁 .

  14. zinc gluconate seems to be the form you find most. followed by citrate, then picolinate. i think they don’t even waste their time with zinc oxide since it’s obvious that it’s very poorly absorbed.

    i got mad when the health food store guy told me that zinc gluconate was the best form. he obviously lied since studies have proven that zinc l-methionine (aka, optizinc) is far superior to other forms of zinc such as gluconate, citrate, picolinate, etc as far as bioavailability and absorption.

    also, optizinc is not affected by fiber (which can inhibit absorption), and enzymes that can bind to other forms and render it inactive. finally, zinc methionine does not interfere with the absorption of copper like other forms do, so there’s no need to co-supplement with copper.

    also, other binding agents (like picolinic acid, used in zinc picolinate) can remove iron from cells, causing anemia (moreso in females).

  15. Wow!
    Solomion, Mod and humper…..thank you all for your very informed input!..really helpful for me.

    Solomio, it looks then as if I have the poorest form of Zinc! I’ve looked on the tub and it contains Zinc Oxide! Here is the ingredient list for the ‘Sustained Release Vitamin C & Zinc’ I bought:

    Ascorbic Acid Compound (Ascorbic Acid , Hydroxypropylmethyl Cellulose), Sorbitol, Xantham Gum, Zinc Oxide, Anticaking Agent (Magnesium Stearate), Colour (Curcumin).

    That doesn’t look great does it??

    Says also, Free from Artificial Colours, Flavours and Preservatives. Suitable for Vegetarians and Sugar Free.

    It’s also supposed to relase the Vit C and Zinc slowly over 8 hours.

    I’m going to have to stick with my normal Vit C and buy a better form of Zinc aren’t I??

  16. Wow!
    Solomion, Mod and humper…..thank you all for your very informed input!..really helpful for me.

    Solomio, it looks then as if I have the poorest form of Zinc! I’ve looked on the tub and it contains Zinc Oxide! Here is the ingredient list for the ‘Sustained Release Vitamin C & Zinc’ I bought:

    Ascorbic Acid Compound (Ascorbic Acid , Hydroxypropylmethyl Cellulose), Sorbitol, Xantham Gum, Zinc Oxide, Anticaking Agent (Magnesium Stearate), Colour (Curcumin).

    That doesn’t look great does it??

    Says also, Free from Artificial Colours, Flavours and Preservatives. Suitable for Vegetarians and Sugar Free.

    It’s also supposed to relase the Vit C and Zinc slowly over 8 hours.

    I’m going to have to stick with my normal Vit C and buy a better form of Zinc aren’t I??

    If your a lazy ass like me call your pharmacist and ask them about a drug containing zinc gluconate. In france it’s called rubozinc. either 15 mg or 30 mg per caps. The 15 mg comes in caps (30) and are 5,64 euros (I’ll let you do the conversion in your damn £ )

  17. Merci beaucoup….

    de rien :mrgreen

    PS: first time I ever speak french on the board :lol

  18. I still remember ‘un peu’ from my A Level French studies….!

    Well it always turn me on when an english girl speaks french

    oops, sorry forgot that you were already hooked with someone :oops

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